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Originally posted by hooj1 ummmm.....how about just use your ears. sorry but i have to say if you can't mix in key with your ears you are most likely tone def. if two songs sound like shite together they're out of key. if they sound good they're in key. simple/ and yes, i am classicly trained. but before i knew what a note or key was i could tell which don't go togther well. its all in the ears. some have it some don't.

I guess I'm on the fence now in this keying debate

I disagree with both of you. I think alot of the times you dont have to key tracks, and you can feel out a set with your ears, or just by memory. Sometimes its possible to make two tracks that are not in key work anyway, and sometimes on glitchier tech/minimal its not a big concern in the first place.


But for DJs who take alot of music with them, it can be helpfull and imo theres nothing wrong with writing down the keys of your tracks, and trying to get the keys for as much of your record bag as possible. Ferry does it, alot of guys do, it helps them cut down on their decision time. Another tool.

I dont claim perfect pitch or amazing ears, but I can usually tell pretty quick if a mix is going to be sour, or if theres a bad clash. I can be bothered to sit there and key all my tunes using a program, and re-tag my CD case...so for now I'm not keying tracks. I imagine that in the future when my collection gets really big, I'll probably do it when I re-burn and re-tag all my CD case, along with bpm, length etc. Just some extra tools to use.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

I usually stick to my gut instincts. I don't find the keys to my tracks or anything, but if I have any second guesses about the track, then its probably not gonna sound right being mixed in. Just go with your gut feeling. Is basically what I'm. Saying.

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Originally posted by Clovis I guess I'm on the fence now in this keying debate I disagree with both of you. I think alot of the times you dont have to key tracks, and you can feel out a set with your ears, or just by memory. Sometimes its possible to make two tracks that are not in key work anyway, and sometimes on glitchier tech/minimal its not a big concern in the first place.

this is pretty much what i'm saying. i don't key my stuff because i know what my tracks sound/feel like.

i really never use music therory or perfect pitch for djing. if you need list the key of all your tracks thats fine. i just feel its not needed.

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Well you baisically said in the beggining that anyone who cant mix in key with their ears is tone deaf, and I've heard starboy say that anyone who doesnt key their tracks is a shit DJ...so I'm sort of down for the middle ground

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Clovis Well you baisically said in the beggining that anyone who cant mix in key with their ears is tone deaf, and I've heard starboy say that anyone who doesnt key their tracks is a shit DJ...so I'm sort of down for the middle ground

they are two stupid statements. i have some of my tracks in key when mixing but then when it gets a bit too predictable i drop a track that isnt in key it doesnt sound like shit but it breaks up the predictablility.

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Originally posted by hooj1 you don't understand what i'm saying. for instance. a dj should be able to play a track and then throw on any other track in their box a tell whether the mix is in key. they may not know what key but just that it is in key. as for me. i know my tracks well enough to play a track and pick out the next track in seconds because i know it will be in key based on memeory.

+1, that's the only way to go. i think this mixed in key shit is just another way to automate the dj process. we might as well just have a computer do it.

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Originally posted by dj_kane they are two stupid statements. i have some of my tracks in key when mixing but then when it gets a bit too predictable i drop a track that isnt in key it doesnt sound like shit but it breaks up the predictablility.

why is my statement about being tone def stupid? the definition of tone-def is : insensitive to differences in musical pitch.

so a dj who can't mix in key by ear is more than likely tone def by definition.

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the basics of tonal theory are quite easy to learn. you can learn how to key a track if you have at least one ear and are willing to spend a few minutes reading the basics.

maybe keying things with your ears isn't such a bad idea, sure it takes more time, but guess what, your ears are going to get extremely sensitive, and that's kind of important when you're in a field like music

I'd just like to add that for years people werem't mixing in key and no one thought anything off it.

It seems to be being taken too seriously!!

Jarv

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Originally posted by hooj1 why is my statement about being tone def stupid? the definition of tone-def is : insensitive to differences in musical pitch. so a dj who can't mix in key by ear is more than likely tone def by definition.

its stupid because your saying you should no what track goes with which as soon as you put it on but why waste time putting on a track and finding it doesnt go and having to change it when you can just key your tracks with software and your own knowledge writr it on the sleeve and save time and stupidity to prove a point that your are not tone deaf.

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I'd just like to add that for years people werem't mixing in key and no one thought anything off it.

Also for years no one knew smoking caused cancer... what's your point?
My point is that harmonic mixing is an obvious improvement. After mixing harmonically it is almost painful to mix without keys in mind.