Originally posted by the gamemaster
wats the song playing at the start of the first clip??
I think its a tune by effective force (diamond bullet is in though for sure) but maybe i'm wrong. Its surely a tune by MFS though lol. The whole soundtrack was perfect, and the last tune, where the aeroplane takes off is...just perfect electronic music (sounds like early paul van dyk if someone knows it please id).Some other wanderful tunes as well like Vernon's wanderland, Humate's love stimulation,Marmion's Schoneberg, Scubadiver's celestial symphony(heavenly track) and others...
Yes that early trance was perfect, the polyrhythmic sequences, the spacey arpeggios it was beautiful.When i first started going to clubs in 99 (i was 18 then) i loved epic trance, but nowadays, even that 97-99 sound doesn't do it for me. Nowadays, i'm not a fan of the majority of EDM (which has become a parodious shadow of itself IMO),i like moslty ambient,post-rock, and electronica in the broader sense but strangely enough, i still dig an old ep by Resistance D that i bought when i was 15 and i still like to listen to the "thinking about myself" album by Cosmic Baby and to an early Eye-Q compilation. Those albums have somehow survived the test of time, more then any epic-trance compilation like Oakenfold's "New York" (although great album) or tiesto's first magik or ISOS compilations.
Those early 90s trance albums were really deep and artistic not just a collection of poppy tunes with some super-star collaborations and a bunch of famous vocalists thrown in. To bad that trance music evolved into super-saw euro-beat poppy circus, because that early sound, had the potential to evolve to something very artistic, big and avant-garde at the same time.
Mar-11-2007 05:08
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every thing before 96 was amazing (love stimulation, age of love, for an angel, the space track, etc. etc.) alot of them were just timeless classics. from 96 to about 2001 it was alot more commercial but there were still some great tunes even if some were cheesy and still alot of gems (saltwater, greece 2000, suburban train, etc.) then after that there was very few good tracks and just mostly poppy/epic bullshit (shivers, adagio for strings, u know..).
i like trance from all these phases but it progressively got alot worse imo.
Mar-11-2007 05:13
Lebezniatnikov
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Trance always seems better in the past because the bad tracks fade away... you only remember the good ones.
It's the exact same with any single other genre on Earth.
Ugh, I don't know why I even click on these threads anymore.
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Mar-11-2007 05:24
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come on your saying that the stuff out there today is as good as it was back then?
classics dont become classics in their time but there will be not that many true classics that arent just pop trance hits in 10 years from this decade
Mar-11-2007 05:32
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Originally posted by nefardec
base causes
- The rise of the internet/mass filesharing
- surburban white america influenced by tiesto/darude/oakenfold, etc
- loss of early 90s youth culture to culture of decadence and instant gratification and youtube
Please. If these are the base causes, then house and techno should be dead too, yet I don't see anybody on house boards complaining.
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Mar-11-2007 05:32
Lebezniatnikov
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quote:
Originally posted by the gamemaster
come on your saying that the stuff out there today is as good as it was back then?
classics dont become classics in their time but there will be not that many true classics that arent just pop trance hits in 10 years from this decade
On a whole, I'm saying who knows. I can guarantee this though: five years from now people will point to tracks that are current today as evidence that trance isn't what it used to be. But you can point to Binary Finary and Cafe Del Mar all you want. Point is, there were some awfully shit tracks back then too.
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Mar-11-2007 05:35
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Well yeah, those are the BASE causes, and the catalysts are what caused it to die already.
Had house or techno an asot equivalent, and events like armin only, pvd summerstage, trance energy, tiesto in concert, etc then they too would be in a similar "State of Trance"
My point is exactly what you suggest - these base factors could cause the decline of any music genre, it is the catalysts acting upon them which precipitates its demise.
Mar-11-2007 05:35
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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
On a whole, I'm saying who knows. I can guarantee this though: five years from now people will point to tracks that are current today as evidence that trance isn't what it used to be. But you can point to Binary Finary and Cafe Del Mar all you want. Point is, there were some awfully shit tracks back then too.
ofcourse there were but trance was different, it wasnt so commercial or cheesy and made to appeal to the masses. the equivalent of a "shivers" back then might have been children but it was still true to trance and it didnt seem like pop like alot of tracks do now
Mar-11-2007 05:38
Lebezniatnikov
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Originally posted by the gamemaster
ofcourse there were but trance was different, it wasnt so commercial or cheesy and made to appeal to the masses. the equivalent of a "shivers" back then might have been children but it was still true to trance and it didnt seem like pop like alot of tracks do now
Blank and Jones?
I'll give you this, commercialization of dance in general (which trance seems to lead) has probably lent itself to higher volume of tracks flooding the market that aren't very good. But I bet there are just as many today that are good as back then.
Look at rock: when rock was first emerging, everything was good (Chuck Berry, Elvis Presley, The Beatles, etc.). Now, we have Bowling for Soup. Doesn't mean there aren't good rock bands out there too. Just means the market is more saturated.
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Mar-11-2007 05:43
Lebezniatnikov
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Originally posted by the gamemaster
it didnt seem like pop like alot of tracks do now
Also, pop has changed a lot too. Kaskade said in an interview that pop top 40 stuff is about 5 years behind dance music. What the best producers in house and trance are doing now will be what the new wave of pop music sounds like in the future. The particular examples he used were Toxic by Britney and The Killers if I recall correctly.
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Mar-11-2007 05:44
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true and im not saying all trance is bad these days either but it seems there is alot more bad than good. for 2005 i could probably count the number of trance tracks i liked on my fingers while if u go bak to 99 or 95 or something the list is endless. 2006 was a bit better but there was still so much crud
Mar-11-2007 05:47
Lebezniatnikov
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quote:
Originally posted by the gamemaster
true and im not saying all trance is bad these days either but it seems there is alot more bad than good. for 2005 i could probably count the number of trance tracks i liked on my fingers while if u go bak to 99 or 95 or something the list is endless. 2006 was a bit better but there was still so much crud
I have to admit I'm outgunned since I more or less stopped listening to trance and moved to house, but I still think there are some quality productions from the sets I grab from time to time.
