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Originally posted by Frenchie I'm ignorant, I admit it. Show me and prove to me why I shouldn't be and I'll change my mind.

ya, ok.
anyways, that sentence aside....
Some people grow up in some pretty fucked up homes, have trauama which haunt them for life, or experience retarded psych anomalies(me) that hinder proper thinking/judgement. Of course, teenage years are pretty fucking tough when schools and the TV teach kids that, hmmmm i dunno, being popular is more important than education, being fit is a higher priority than understanding the worlds issues and not jumping on the backwagon is equal to on top of a gay man's cock.

Now before we go on about how its the world's fault that a person has
mental illness..........
while a teenager can go ahead and make blogs about how cruel the world is and send anonymous jpegs of themselves cutting "daddy fucked me and i loved it" into their arms (that was HOT!), its their responsibility (if its in their capacity, schizo ftl) to find help, medications (they are placebos, but hey, placebos are scientifically proven to be very powerful), and a doctor.
If they aren't asking for help in a time of need, then they are asking for something else
and whatever happens to them, who cares

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Originally posted by Theresa /first quote/

thats wank. doctors classify the anxiety before asking a girl out as mental illness, regardless if someone actually asks them out or not.
so basically, being human is a mnetal illness.

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*sigh*

Let me reitterate.

THESE PEOPLE ARE FUCKING MENTALLY ILL!! Mentally ill = some sort of imbalance with the chemicals in your brain... whether that be low seratonin (depression), or something else.

Sometimes you don't realize you need help, sometimes you do ask for help and people laugh at you, or chalk it off to "needing/wanting attention".

When was the last time someone came to you and said "I should just kill myself", and you rushed them to the nearest psychologist, or gave their parents a heads up?

You probably haven't. I know there have been times when I shrugged off comments like that.

Most people hear this and dismiss it, thinking "oh, their just being dramatic" etc. etc..

When you are not in your right state of mind, getting help isn't always the easiest thing to do.

A person who is having troubles waking up in the morning, and is having difficulty keeping their train of thought in line isn't always on top of the ball. Being able to recognize that you need help, and managing to find someone who will actually take you seriously, and GIVE you help is an incredible feat.

Not to mention, EVEN with help, it doesn't necessarily mean that your problems are going to magically disappear, that the depression will vanish, or whatever ails you is suddenly dandy.

The people who are truly selfish are the people who are around someone who is suicidal, and are so self-involved they can't even recognize that their loved one needs help. So self-righteous they ignore the calls for help. AND THEN to fucking blame the person who committed suicide, and call them selfish? Go to hell.

Do you blame an alcoholic for being addicted to alcohol and not realizing he has a problem, and needs help? I sure hope not.

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Originally posted by SuspicionVandit thats wank. doctors classify the anxiety before asking a girl out as mental illness, regardless if someone actually asks them out or not. so basically, being human is a mnetal illness.

There is a difference between natural anxiety (or properly known as nervousness), and then anxiety that is a problem. A person who suffers from anxiety attacks, who are immobilized by fear etc.etc. are suffering from a mental disorder.

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Originally posted by Frenchie Where are the links to the studies that show you can be helped. I know they exists.

You're looking at it rationally with a mind that isn't broken as something which can be fixed like a bit of needle thread to mend a teddy bears arm that had fallen off.

You aren't looking at it from the personal perspective that if you had to mend that toy, while dosed off your tits on mind altering drugs down a deep dark hole in the ground, with no thread and the toy was the only thing that meant anything to you because it was given to you by your now deceased nanna.
That's pretty bad.
Then, say someone decides to take your one and only comfort off you and go burn it, throws you a needle and thread and says 'fix that bitch!'

Hmmm, as well as your altered perception of the problem, it's probably just been compounded quite a lot, you're now without support, antisocial and not liable to ask the next person that happens along for any more 'help'... and still balling on drugs that alter your perception of the world when that very hole could simply just be your own house.
Another thing to consider is, after being kicked and laughed at enough times because people can be very cruel, do you actually want to give up that last bit of pride you have to face more ridicule?

Hmm, interesting.

I had a friend commit suicide when I was in Grade 10, and I , along with 2 other friends, found her. Not cool.

I had someone call me in the middle of the night screaming that they were going to shoot themselves. I didn't "dismiss" it. I drove over brought her to her parents house and then went to the hospital. She's in therapy now doing well.

Don't assume that because I'm ignorant to this that I haven't come across to these types of situations. There you go assuming stuff now.

You can't blame all suicidal people on, " omg mental problems " No. Some people just want to end their life for the sake of not having to put up with retarded people and their bullshit.

I believe the chemical imbalance in your head causes you to do some dumb ass shit, yes but for it to be the blame of it all, no. It's like saying that there is a little devil on your shoulder saying, " pull the trigger, puuuuull the trigger" AHEM, no.

I said a few pages back that I take it as a serious issue and I don't lie when people joke about it or saying they're going to do it for the attention, so I do think it's a very serious matter.

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Originally posted by Lilith You're looking at it rationally with a mind that isn't broken as something which can be fixed like a bit of needle thread to mend a teddy bears arm that had fallen off. You aren't looking at it from the personal perspective that if you had to mend that toy, while dosed off your tits on mind altering drugs down a deep dark hole in the ground, with no thread and the toy was the only thing that meant anything to you because it was given to you by your now deceased nanna. That's pretty bad. Then, say someone decides to take your one and only comfort off you and go burn it, throws you a needle and thread and says 'fix that bitch!' Hmmm, as well as your altered perception of the problem, it's probably just been compounded quite a lot, you're now without support, antisocial and not liable to ask the next person that happens along for any more 'help'... and still balling on drugs that alter your perception of the world when that very hole could simply just be your own house. Another thing to consider is, after being kicked and laughed at enough times because people can be very cruel, do you actually want to give up that last bit of pride you have to face more ridicule?

You're one of them aren't you. FREAK! Hang yourself! I double dog dare you!

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Originally posted by Theresa THESE PEOPLE ARE FUCKING MENTALLY ILL!! Mentally ill = some sort of imbalance with the chemicals in your brain... whether that be low seratonin (depression), or something else.

actually..... no
everyone who i have met in the hospitals who was there strictly for a case of the blues, longterm depression or bipolar realized they needed help before they were admitted. People are daftly afraid of being labelled crazy by friends/family, even by their own damn selves.
The thing is that they don't act on it. They wait until something goes horribly wrong for someone ELSE to help them /attention hoarse/
the inability to rescue themselves from their hole is, yes, their fault.

The people who didn't realize they needed help were the same guys you see on Cops. the crazy guys who swing bats around while yelling "I am an alien from pluto!"

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Originally posted by Theresa There is a difference between natural anxiety (or properly known as nervousness), and then anxiety that is a problem. A person who suffers from anxiety attacks, who are immobilized by fear etc.etc. are suffering from a mental disorder.

yes, i'm saying that that survey is skewed because virtually every human emotion that makes us unique is a mental illness according to doctors
hell, people can get prozac just by doing the sad puppy face. no bullshit

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Originally posted by nagchampan You're one of them aren't you. FREAK! Hang yourself! I double dog dare you!

No you little wanker, I'm something far worse.
Someone who never had a helping hand from a very early age and I'm as hard, mean and tough as nails, wealthy from my own intelligence and have absolutely no compunctions about burying the nobodies who get in my way.

But ever do I understand how people work. How to make them, or break them.

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Originally posted by Frenchie There you go assuming stuff now.

I was making a general statement, not specifically directed to you. But I still think that every one of us has probably dismissed a comment like this at least once.

You don't seem to understand that if a person is considering committing suicide, that is an indication that they have a mental error somewhere along the line.

Normal, rational thinking people do not kill themselves (unless it was an accident).

When I was 16 my father passed away, shortly after which my mother remarried to a psycho maniac who I hated, my long term boyfriend and I broke up and then my grandfather died. With this, I proceeded to spiral down into a deep hole of misery. For days I went without any sleep, and wallowed in my own pool of emptiness and sorrow.

One night, at 3 am in the morning, I decided to go wander the streets. No sleep, no one to talk to, no where to turn.

I came to a street that overpassed a highway. I looked down at the moving cars, and I realized that I could feel better simply by jumping off. It wouldn't really matter because there was no one left who cared about me anyway.

One foot went on the ledge, and I started to lift my weight up off the ground, and imagined myself "flying".

However, for a fleeting moment amidst my devastation, I had a rush of common sense, a drop of sanity left in my head, and I stopped myself.

I sat down on the sidewalk and cried. I probably sat there for 2 hours just bawling my eyes out, on the side of a street, all by myself in the middle of the night.

Finally, I walked home and went to bed. I slept for about 3 days straight.

If I had followed through, if I had jumped, would you think that I was making a selfish move? Would you think I was stupid? I was at one of the lowest points I have ever been in, in my entire life. Yes, I didn't do it, but only because I was lucky that I hadn't completely shut myself out from reality. If not for that split moment of common sense, I wouldn't be here writing this right now.

Sometimes things aren't as easy as you make them out to be.

/ugh/ this is getting redundant
i think we're fighting for the same cause theresa, but i don't think you have any idea what you're talking about





and i don't want to discount your depression @ age 16, sorry about the bad memories and i'm sure it was pretty shitty.

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