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Originally posted by a_adl we r not like that u or ur ppl took over these ppl's lands and they deserve to get them back and in our religion if u r fighting an enemy and u got killed u go straight to heaven as being honered for defending ur country thats y palestinas blow up themselves coz they r killing the enemy and saving their lands so i hope u understand what i said...cheers

wait a sec didnt you just say

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look as u can see im egyptian and im proud to be arab and in our islamic religion we dont go out in the street kill ppl ok

i guess you proved yourself wrong...
furthermore you know as well as i that palestinians are not defined by their religion, palestinians are both islamic and christian. however i have yet to see a christian suicide bomber. why dont all the supreme islamic spiritual leaders speak out agianst the terrorism that is rampant in their society.

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i think u know what ur military is doing very well

what are they doing? do you think they are intentionally targeting inncocent civilians, women and children and shooting them to their death? i know that it is not the intention nor will nor the conduct in which the IDF acts. i cant say the same for the palestinian suicide bombers or the snipers that shoot at israeli civilians in various settlements (gilo).

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Originally posted by cweb Now THAT's the dumbest post I ve read in a while. Start learning reading before you even think about drop some lines here. Man that was weak!

care to tell us why you think this is dumb or are we to accept this is just 'weak' for no apparent reason

tenor, nice to see you in here, how you doing? still coming to GKGG? you wanna meet up there?

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I hate religion. I hope it burns in what it calls it's hell. I am so glad that i do not have a religion becuase it intigates a segregatory affect. We as humans must unite and not fight over land which was proclaimed by people living there thousands of years ago.
FUCK RELIGION..... DEATH TO RELIGION!!!!!!!!!!!!

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ok jews quit it.
haven't you realized it yet?!
occupying a land costs both blood and life.
Remember when Sovjet occupied Afghanistan. They lost thousands of soliders and 10 years later were forced to leave the country.
If the Israelis think they can occupy land and build settlements without any reaction from the palestinian side then they got shit in their brains.
just the fact that the Israelis voted for an international warcrime as a prime minister (Sharon) which is by Amnesty International listed as guilty for the death of more than 8000 civilians in Sabra and Shatila shows how much peace the israelis wants (zero).


get lost israelis with your filthy sionist propaganda

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As for the 50-50. You have to understasnd the claims; Israel want all the land. Palestinians want all the land.

Both claims are unrealistic, and I think very few people really claim that anymore. Except for those 10 NRP & UTJ members of the Knesset..

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Those are the extreme ideals; the moderate ideals are: Israel wants a Jewish Independent and Secure State with the most land possible. Palestinians want a palestinian independent state with the most land possible. We can assume that they both have equal claims, altought in reality the Palestinian claim is much weaker since they gave up their opprotunities of country, and lost many wars for the land (and didn't get anything from the British in writing).

How does that make their claim any weaker?

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Now we must also consider the following; Israel is the stronger party (this usually changes 50-50 to 60-40). The Palestinians have almost no diplomatic playing cards (other then terrorism, and that arab brotherhood thing.. oh and now the european-brother thing i guess).

No shit. How can they have diplomatic playing cards when they are being occupied by a foreign nation?

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From here on you can understand that 80% of the land to the Palestinians, is more then 50%, and the extra 30% is used to supplement their demands over Jerusalem (which is just to hard to divide if you ever looked at the maps and plans) and the right of return.

More than 50% of what? Are you saying that west bank and gaza should be divided 50-50 is the claim of Israel?

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Also when you limit it to 80% you can get rid of the settler issue in such a compromise, and create realistic defenseable borders for both nations.

Uh? How does that get rid of the settler issue? Are you proposing that the settlers stay and that land is given to Israel? Would that mean also IDF soldiers around these settlements?

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what are they doing? do you think they are intentionally targeting inncocent civilians, women and children and shooting them to their death?

At least they are not doing their best to avoid it. IMHO. Bulldozing random homes, little girls pleading them not to make holes in their wall, but they do it anyway..

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tenor, nice to see you in here, how you doing? still coming to GKGG? you wanna meet up there?

Quite bored of the arguments ;D I might - it all comes down to when my company is sending me over to UK

@Izzy: read the post I quotet. There's a quote for me in there. read my statement and his reaction, then you will see how thats dumb. I have nothing against people disagreeing with me. But hey at least when you say my post is ignorant post some real argument and not that shit you posted.

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I don't wanna offend any religions here, but don't you find it interesting how in every war Islam is involved ?
Palestine, Afganistan, Chechnya in Russia...

I hate how palestines, afganistanians and all such are hiding behind their religions to commit terrorist acts. There is NO EXCUSE for terrorism.

I have family living in Israel. They are fuckin' scared to ride a bus, or to even drive a car near a bus. Would you like to live like that?

You guys here are saying shit about Israel, but have you ever lived there? You just look at it from news-paper's perspective.

I do think that Sharon's policy is useless; however he must do something. He can't just let terrorists acts happen.

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Originally posted by cweb Now THAT's the dumbest post I ve read in a while. Start learning reading before you even think about drop some lines here. Man that was weak!

Your an idiot, before you start commenting, why don't YOU start reading up on the issues invoolved. Wow, Im sooooooooooooooooo afraid and upset about your comments cweb. Kiss my as$ b*tch.

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Originally posted by Durafei I hate how palestines, afganistanians and all such are hiding behind their religions to commit terrorist acts. There is NO EXCUSE for terrorism.

can you name one single afghan organization that has ever commited a terroristact?

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Originally posted by Durafei I don't wanna offend any religions here, but don't you find it interesting how in every war Islam is involved ? Palestine, Afganistan, Chechnya in Russia...

Don't forget Somolia, Yugoslavia (Serbia/Bosnia), Kashmir (Pakistan-India), Indonesia, Philipines....

They really are trying to fight for dominance of their religion world wide, and right now it is working.

Yoepus

"All great truths begin as blasphemies."

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Originally posted by Yoepus Don't forget Somolia, Yugoslavia (Serbia/Bosnia), Kashmir (Pakistan-India), Indonesia, Philipines.... They really are trying to fight for dominance of their religion world wide, and right now it is working. Yoepus "All great truths begin as blasphemies."

and dont forget USA. we haven't forgotten that USA invaded Vietnam and Somalia and killed thousands of innocent ppl.
and don't forget that USA is the final superpower. but hopefully that won't last for long. Remember what happened to Sovjet. no one would have thought that sovjet would fall.
it's just a matter of time.

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Originally posted by tranzformer Your an idiot, before you start commenting, why don't YOU start reading up on the issues invoolved. Wow, Im sooooooooooooooooo afraid and upset about your comments cweb. Kiss my as$ b*tch.

Where the hell is the idiot-smiley?
Here is your "excellent" post one more time:


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Originally posted by cweb
one thing i wanted to say (it hasnt really something to do with the actual discussion).

The palistenenan folk is basically alone, no support. Its not like every arab country around israel like the palis, on the contrary. they all hate israel but they alkso do not like the palis. the actual politics has to consider that in my opinion because groups OUTSIDE of Israel had put oil in this fire!!!!


Thats an ignorant comment. Maybe you should keep up with current events and watch the news. All of the surrounding Arab countries (Lebannon, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Saudi Arabia,...etc even European countries like France, England, Norway ....) have been having protests about the military offensive that the Israelis have been taking. They all shout for the total destruction of Israel and the the rise of the Palistinian nation. So give me the name of ONE Arab nation that suports Israel and what they are doing. You can't now can you??

Now how thats not dumb? Have I said that the arab countries support Israel? I said that they all hate Israel and the reason they protest is because of their HATE against Israel not the love for the Palisteneans. They do not like Palis, but they HATe Israel, do you understand boy?

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