You suck at math. Because I bought Serato for $480 shipped. That's less than two Torqs.

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good price. But still no dice against the cost for torq. 2 for the price of one?

Your example is a distinction without a difference.

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Well I can't speak for Torq, but one HUGE benefit to Serato is that once you buy it, all future versions are forever free.

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Originally posted by pointer good price. But still no dice against the cost for torq. 2 for the price of one? Your example is a distinction without a difference. rob.

I was just pointing out the fact that you were wrong for saying that you can get three Torqs for the price of Serato.

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MSRP. No one ever pays that (well, first time adopters do). So yeah, you can get two torq's for the price one. Regular pricing for Serato is $725... but that's pedantic at this point - so I stand corrected.

(Still it doesn't change the value equation I was trying to make - Torq is a good deal).

The point about upgrades for free is true about Serato. Until it isn't. You never know when that might change. Torq is about to release version 1.5 this summer, so we will see what and how M-Audio's policy is. Hopefully it is the same as Serato's at this time!

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i dont know if i misread (cant use cdj effects w/ serato), but i know the cdj1000's hot cues, cue, and loops work on serato. however, the pitch lock does not work.

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Originally posted by discobiscuit i dont know if i misread (cant use cdj effects w/ serato), but i know the cdj1000's hot cues, cue, and loops work on serato. however, the pitch lock does not work.

Same with Torq.

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Here's some of the benefits of Serato over Torq.

1.- THE TTM57 MIXER. That's a RANE Mixer with Serato, Midi, and an EFX built in. We all know that Rane's sound quality goes heads up with Allen & Heath.

2.- VIDEO MIXING... It's coming this summer. Yes, we know there's a few other companies that let you do this, but none do it as clean, smooth, hassle free as Serato does. Initially, Video Mixing will only be supported using the TTM57 Mixer but later will be supported with SL1. Here's a sneak peak at video mixing on Serato. No extra hardware such as Monitors, Video Mixers, Video Switchers, and Video Effects needed.

http://www.agiprodj.com/2007/05/07/...-live-v18-video

3.- METAL HARDWARE... We all know that Rane makes high quality hardware. Serato's casing is no exception. That thing is built like a Tank!!!

4.- TECH SUPPORT... I have never seen any other company so dedicated to their customers as they are. Their tech support is second to none! Last summer I went to Remix Hotel and I met a Serato rep. I told him I was having a problem with my system. I explained to him what it was, and he apologized for not being able to help me. He asked me for my card and gave me a Serato shirt. The next day my phone rings. It was Serato's corporate office. They called me to fix my problem! That was amazing!!! I was not even expecting it at all.

5.- CLEAN, EASY TO THE EYE INTERFACE... I'm sorry, but Torq's is pretty messy.

There's more features that I can rave about, but I won't. And Pointer, the way Serato works is like this. They first work on a solid version of the program. Then, they slowly add features one at a time. They do that because they want to get everything right the first time. All those features that you mentioned are coming to Serato. Effects are already built into the TTM57. Rewire should be coming soon, but it's not on top of their list. Midi is coming on version 1.8 (later this year), and why would you want to use Serato with Ms Pinky vinyl?

I do agree Torq is cheaper, but Serato is so solid, I don't mind paying the extra price for something that won't make me look bad infront of a thousand people. Heck, Serato paid for it self in one weekend.

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Pointer = Robtronik. Just in case you didn't know.

I hear what you are saying - but I don't count those as true benefits except for the steady development that has occured over the years. You could say that the mixer option is also matched by the pairing of an Allen&Heath DJ mixer like the Xone:92 or 3D as well (since, for all intents and purposes, they are seperate products from each other, just like the TTM mixer. IOW, you have to pay separately for that priviledge to have an intergrated mixer interface).

really, all we are talking about here is the software and the HW interface. If you think that paying twice as much for less functionality and a metal casing is worth it, then it is (for you). But you know that the risk of DJing a lot is not really about withstanding some drop or smashing of it, its really about getting it ripped off, lost, or having to be replaced because someone dropped a drink on it.

Secondly, the features of Torq far surpass that of Serato - and it is only in its first iteration. Its pretty clear that M-Audio is stepping up to the plate for a competitive offering.

A couple of areas where I think Serato beats Torq (for now) is the clean(er) interface (which will be fixed in version 1.5 coming out in a couple of weeks) and its library sorting options (Torq is missiing some columns like import date, rating, etc. that should be part of the searchable options). Again, this is supposed to be fixed in the next update.

Video and all that is nice, but I've seen it up close and its cool - but not that compelling. Watched Sam of Serato give the demo at WMC and it was intriguing, but not compelling enough IMO. But then again, I'm just into playing tracks and not worrying about video (yet).

Let's see how this looks in a couple weeks when Torq comes out with version 1.5 - I suspect that Torq will be the clear winner over Serato at that point, but we'll see.

(BTW, the point about the ms. pinky vinyl is that you have more than one option or source for replacement vinyl. That's a good thing).

rob.

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Originally posted by cmay119 I'd find it very hard to justify a $500 program just because I dislike burning CD's. I own SSL and it's a great program, however I'm using it with vinyl decks. Spending $500 now saves me quite a bit of money in the future. If I get CDJ's in the future, then I'm sure I'll use SSL with it, however I wouldn't ever have purchase SSL if I already had CDJ's. Just my opinion of course.

I haven't really started mixing yet but to me it seems that one huge advantage of using Serato with CDJ's instead of burning cds is the organization of your music via computer vs. numerous burned CD's. If you have a large music collection, I'd assume that pulling a particular song off of your hard drive (which is automatically organized alphabetically) is much easier than searching through a bunch of burned Cds for a particular track. I agree, I'd rather bring a couple burned cd's into a club than a laptop with external hard drives filled with music, however, only if I had my track list already picked out and ready to go. If not, I'd think it'd be much easier to use the Serato, type in the name of the track, and have it right there within seconds- without going through the pain of searching through a bunch of cds.

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Originally posted by Sukhoi29SU I haven't really started mixing yet but to me it seems that one huge advantage of using Serato with CDJ's instead of burning cds is the organization of your music via computer vs. numerous burned CD's. If you have a large music collection, I'd assume that pulling a particular song off of your hard drive (which is automatically organized alphabetically) is much easier than searching through a bunch of burned Cds for a particular track. I agree, I'd rather bring a couple burned cd's into a club than a laptop with external hard drives filled with music, however, only if I had my track list already picked out and ready to go. If not, I'd think it'd be much easier to use the Serato, type in the name of the track, and have it right there within seconds- without going through the pain of searching through a bunch of cds.

Exactly, and as I stated in another thread (maybe this one I forget), I've found that having your entire library right before your eyes makes one think of more diverse track selections and flow instead of you having to either pre-burn cds and a copy of each for mixing or scramble through cases and cases or cds. I just found that pre-burning kind of locked me in to a set tracklist (different order but limited tracks for a set).

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