I had a concealed weapons permit, but I let it expire. I don't own a gun nor do I have any desire to own one. I do understand that sometimes things happen to people that changes how they approach the world. It's unfortunate that some people have to live that way, but maybe if there wasn't assholes out there pointing guns at people this world would be a different place to live in.

Would you agree that had that kid not ran around pointing a gun at people that he would still be alive today? How many times have you held a gun to someone making them fear for their life? How many people have you robbed at gunpoint for fun? How many people have you violated and possibly affected them to the point that they will never be the same? How many people have you threatened to kill? How many times have you had a gun pointed at your head not knowing if there was a bullet in there and not knowing the intentions of the assailant?

Sometimes people react in ways that we don't agree with and obviously this guy reacted in a way that this kid was not anticipating. Regardless of your thoughts on this you can't take away the fact that had he not been put in the position where he was made to react none of this would have happened. That kid was playing with his own life and the lives of his friends. People make bad decisions all of the time. I think it's safe to say that one bad decision lead to another. Neither was in the right morally, but you can't exactly get pissed at someone for pulling a gun on you if you're already pointing one at them.

Age should not be an issue here. An 18 year old can kill someone just as easily as a 53 year old can.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike It's a no brainer then you idiot.

Not to everyone, some of these guys wouldn't even think about it. And who are you to be calling me an idiot?

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Originally posted by trancebrat

I agree, in my first post I did say "well he put himself in that position". But it's just the casual way in which it's thought ok to hand out a 'death sentance' to someone. And aside from that the ilogic in escalating a dangerous situation that I don't understand.

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Originally posted by Dervish Lets put it this way would you rather hand over your car, or kill someone?

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Originally posted by Dervish Making that assumption.

Sure. If I was 100% guaranteed not to die, then of course I would hand over my car. But answer me this: How am I to know for absolute 100% without the slightest shadow of a doubt certainty that I wont die when I have a gun pointed in my face? I'd fend for my life in that case, I'd do what I feel is best. If I have a concealed weapons permit and a gun is within easy reach then you bet your ass I'll shoot the guy.

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Originally posted by Dervish I agree, in my first post I did say "well he put himself in that position". But it's just the casual way in which it's thought ok to hand out a 'death sentance' to someone. And aside from that the ilogic in escalating a dangerous situation that I don't understand.

Casual? A gun is in your face and multiple other people around you with bats threatening to knock your skull off of your head and out of the ballpark for a homerun. The only thing racing through your head is the that you're about to die and you have to do something to defend yourself; it's what we call Darwinism. Survival is ingrained in all of us.

There's nothing casual about it, it doesn't happen to everybody every day. That's a rare position that someone will find themselves in and I'll be fucked if you're going to say that someone went about it casually.

So you genuinely belive with a gun in your face the best course of action is to attempt to pull you own?

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Originally posted by Dervish So you genuinely belive with a gun in your face the best course of action is to attempt to pull you own?

It all depends on the situation.

Situation One
Some guy, in public, is threatening to shoot himself in the head. I grab my balls and slowly approach him, trying to gently talk him out of it. He quickly switches and points the gun at me. I apologize to him nicely, tell him I'm just trying to help him, keep my piece holstered and then back away.

Situation Two
A group of people with bats are slowly approaching me. I don't feel safe, so I reach in my car and grab my gun, holding it in my hand but just out of their view. They circle around my vehicle and demand I give them my car. Then the individual directly in front of me pulls a gun and threatens to shoot me. I can't be sure whether or not they'll actually kill me even if I give them my car. I feel as though I'm about to die. That's something I'm not about to let happen, and this is an act of self defense so I bring my weapon out and shoot the individual.

I would try and talk the fag out of robbing me then if he does not take that into consideration i will unleash some jet lee kung foo on their ass

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Originally posted by Dervish So you genuinely belive with a gun in your face the best course of action is to attempt to pull you own?

Fight or flight. People will respond in the manner in which they are the most confident in their own success (survival). This appears to be a situation in which you would choose 'flight'. However, this man obviously felt that his life was threatened to the point that he needed to eliminate the threat, and felt confident in doing so. He chose 'fight'.

A gun is a powerful deterrent to would-be muggers. It can be very useful without being fired at all

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Originally posted by trancebrat

my grandfather always said, "dont point a gun at someone unless you intend on killing them." i have always believed in this way. you really have no reason to point it at someone unless you intend on killing them.

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Originally posted by UWM Fight or flight. People will respond in the manner in which they are the most confident in their own success (survival). This appears to be a situation in which you would choose 'flight'. However, this man obviously felt that his life was threatened to the point that he needed to eliminate the threat, and felt confident in doing so. He chose 'fight'.

+1...although i said this earlier....by fixing jakes post. on the first page. or maybe it was boomers post. i forget.

edit//ok bobby it was your post. lol

Yes you did, I was just expounding upon what you wrote, trying to explain this concept that he seems to be having a difficult time tackling.

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Originally posted by UWM Yes you did, I was just expounding upon what you wrote, trying to explain this concept that he seems to be having a difficult time tackling.

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