lol @ 25 years.

incorrect on all accounts. another one of ur great djpaulino3 facts? lol

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lol Paulino you fucking moron.


Xone's sound warmer and the highs are clearer than the Pioneer. Anyone who has actually listened to them in a club knows this.

well as a somewhat newbie i am now totally confused with the argument. I am also stuck between deciding between the two. If fading is real loose on the xones then why pick that over the cdm if the cjm? seems the only real plus nowadays to the xone is the filters. but cdm has effects and better fades so that seems to win..? Yes, ill say it again, i am pretty new (2 years DJ), so dont attack me for not understanding all that was typed. i tired to simplify what i read

It's a matter of personal preference. They are both top-of-the-line products. Try them both out and see what you like.

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It really is personal preferance, everyone likes their mixer a certain way and prefers something different.

I own a 3D and just purchased a Jazzmutant Lemur, in my opinion the Lemur with its fully customizable interface and multi-screen templates/midi/osc DAW integration shits on every single controller I've seen.

It doesn't pass audio whatsoever though, it just controls the program you want, wether it's audio or video or both; it does it.

The 3D was fun for a few weeks, but after a while I really didn't get to witness that big of a step as far as creativity goes in playing out sets with it. It's a huge piece of equipment and in places, is very cluttered, especially the midi sections.

The built-in sound card is nice, but I honestly would rather bring my MOTU Ultralite with me in respect with its large I/O selection and amazing monitoring options which work great with the Lemur and Ableton.

For some reason, the midi section on the 3D to me felt really cheap. Like it was just thrown together really fast to hit the market as the first major brand of midi controllers. It just didn't seem worth all the money paid for it when there are midi controllers for FAR less that do the same thing. If you want to pay the same price as the 3D, you can get the Lemur and an external audio interface and voila, you have the most powerful and versatile controller on the market that allows you to build your entire mixer right infront of you.

To each his own though.

The Lemur looks awesome for sure... it's $2995 though, plus Motu Ultralite for $550, and probably a DJ mixer if you don't have one...

The 3D was $2200, so I'm not sure the two can be compared just yet.

All this stuff is kind of on the edge... With Ableton I feel like it's an amazing program, but performing with it requires a lot of compromises and adaptation for DJ'ing. It's really not setup very well for us.

Not that it isn't entirely usable and powerful, I just think they could/should come out with a new "view" (other than session view) that could make it much more DJ friendly.

Oh, and the ableton file browser is complete poop. They should just do what Torq does, integrate with iTunes, and I'll use that to make all sorts of smart playlists to organize my music outside of ableton.

I dunno, I think I just need to spend a lot more time developing a good workflow with ableton. It's such a different style of mixing coming from decks. I find I either do too much with effects and looping, or too little, or my mixes end up being so long they get boring.

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Originally posted by jupiterone It really is personal preferance, everyone likes their mixer a certain way and prefers something different. I own a 3D and just purchased a Jazzmutant Lemur, in my opinion the Lemur with its fully customizable interface and multi-screen templates/midi/osc DAW integration shits on every single controller I've seen. It doesn't pass audio whatsoever though, it just controls the program you want, wether it's audio or video or both; it does it. The 3D was fun for a few weeks, but after a while I really didn't get to witness that big of a step as far as creativity goes in playing out sets with it. It's a huge piece of equipment and in places, is very cluttered, especially the midi sections. The built-in sound card is nice, but I honestly would rather bring my MOTU Ultralite with me in respect with its large I/O selection and amazing monitoring options which work great with the Lemur and Ableton. For some reason, the midi section on the 3D to me felt really cheap. Like it was just thrown together really fast to hit the market as the first major brand of midi controllers. It just didn't seem worth all the money paid for it when there are midi controllers for FAR less that do the same thing. If you want to pay the same price as the 3D, you can get the Lemur and an external audio interface and voila, you have the most powerful and versatile controller on the market that allows you to build your entire mixer right infront of you. To each his own though.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 The Lemur looks awesome for sure... it's $2995 though, plus Motu Ultralite for $550, and probably a DJ mixer if you don't have one... The 3D was $2200, so I'm not sure the two can be compared just yet. All this stuff is kind of on the edge... With Ableton I feel like it's an amazing program, but performing with it requires a lot of compromises and adaptation for DJ'ing. It's really not setup very well for us. Not that it isn't entirely usable and powerful, I just think they could/should come out with a new "view" (other than session view) that could make it much more DJ friendly. Oh, and the ableton file browser is complete poop. They should just do what Torq does, integrate with iTunes, and I'll use that to make all sorts of smart playlists to organize my music outside of ableton. I dunno, I think I just need to spend a lot more time developing a good workflow with ableton. It's such a different style of mixing coming from decks. I find I either do too much with effects and looping, or too little, or my mixes end up being so long they get boring.

I believe that as time goes on, Ableton will soon become a lot more DJ friendly. File browser is complete shit, I agree, I also think they should release an API so the user can modify Ableton to their own liking but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Ableton will have OSC support very soon though which I'm happy about because it's far more powerful than Midi and Abletons Midi is pretty stupid in ways.

I was lucky though with getting my Lemur, I bought it on kellys computer and electronics last month, it was $2399 which is a BARGAIN. As soon as I placed my order the next day it jumped a few hundred bucks.

I'm sure you're happy with your 3D though, Ryan, it probably does most things you've wanted it to do, but, I got more into "live" dj'ing than just straight up track by track playing quite recentely. Though you don't really need another DJ mixer if you just want a Lemur, just a sound card with necessary outputs and atleast 4 stereo outs so you can cue in Live.

Do you play out in Boston?

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Originally posted by jupiterone I believe that as time goes on, Ableton will soon become a lot more DJ friendly. File browser is complete shit, I agree, I also think they should release an API so the user can modify Ableton to their own liking but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Ableton will have OSC support very soon though which I'm happy about because it's far more powerful than Midi and Abletons Midi is pretty stupid in ways. I was lucky though with getting my Lemur, I bought it on kellys computer and electronics last month, it was $2399 which is a BARGAIN. As soon as I placed my order the next day it jumped a few hundred bucks. I'm sure you're happy with your 3D though, Ryan, it probably does most things you've wanted it to do, but, I got more into "live" dj'ing than just straight up track by track playing quite recentely. Though you don't really need another DJ mixer if you just want a Lemur, just a sound card with necessary outputs and atleast 4 stereo outs so you can cue in Live.

Wow I just looked at some videos of the Jazzmutant Lemur...this things is very cool. I'm a technology freak and...wowwwww

theres also the new ECLER EVO5 if you wanna talk about digital MIDI mixers. I just got mine, its pretty sweet!

www.evobyecler.com