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Originally posted by DigiNut Not really in the mood to debate this at length, but what you're saying simply isn't true. The literal text of the Qu'ran does prescribe the death penalty for atheists if they refuse to convert (Christians and Jews get to live but get saddled with dhimmitude), and in true theocracies such as Saudi Arabia, this is practiced openly by the government.

Can you confirm the statement made here by a reliable Source,beacuse i think your wrong.

Here is what i think happens in Saudi Arabia

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Originally posted by DigiNut Yes, those same death provisions are also in Leviticus, but other religions have later religious law that abrogates them (death of Christ + New Testament for Christians, destruction of the second temple + Talmud for Jews). In Islamic law - and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here - there are no religious provisions that can override those verses. If anything, the later suras would override the earlier ones, and the later ones are the "violent" ones. Christianity also has a central authority (the pope, duh) which unilaterally decides the "law", Islam does not (various Imams scattered across the globe). .

Islamic Law is defined in two different ways:-

1) Sharia
2) Fiqh

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Originally posted by DigiNut Obviously, most Muslims don't read those verses literally. I understand that. The point is that a devout Muslim has no basis within the religion to dispute jihad. All they can say is that they simply choose not to follow that part of it, or don't take it literally and would prefer peaceful persuasion. Or they can try to claim that the earlier suras are more important, but that's something that would be open to debate among religious scholars in any religion.

Proper Definition of " Jihad "

Jihad literally means to "struggle in the way of God" or "to struggle to improve one's self and/or society".

Types of Jihad:-

1)Jihad of the heart/soul (jihad bin nafs/qalb): is an inner struggle of good against evil in the mind, through concepts such as tawhid.

2)Jihad by the tongue (jihad bil lisan) is a struggle of good against evil waged by writing and speech, such as in the form of dawah (proselytizing), Khutbas (sermons), etc.

3)Jihad by the pen and knowledge (jihad bil qalam/lim) is a struggle for good against evil through scholarly study of Islam, ijtihad (legal reasoning), and through sciences (such as medical sciences).

4)Jihad by the hand (jihad bil yad) refers to a struggle of good against evil waged by actions or with one's wealth, such as going on the Hajj pilgrimage (seen as the best jihad for women), taking care of elderly parents, or political activity for furthering the cause of Islam.

5)Jihad by the sword (jihad bis saif) refers to qital fi sabilillah (armed fighting in the way of God, or holy war)This is most commonly used by media...But this is basically used to defend not to ignite war( when someone is trying to takeover the Holy Land Mecca or Madina or when your religion is in danger at home.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I understand what it's like to have nutcases all over the world committing horrific acts and claiming that they did it on your behalf. You don't want to be associated with them in any way. That's perfectly reasonable. But it doesn't add anything to the discussion to insist that they're "twisting" the religion - they're actually not, and it's simply dishonest to say otherwise. Again, if I'm wrong, please feel free to show me an authoritative religious source and explain why it's authoritative (i.e. don't just quote an earlier sura).

I would still argue that the (extremists) are brainwashing people into this false Jihad and there are soo many ways i can prove it to you....to be honest i really dont want to get into those details or discuss religion any further. If you need further info, google it up.