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Originally posted by dEsidEL i'd like to see figures of large cap expenditures factored into that as well ... i think the stated covers just the ongoing costs right?

Haha, like the city actually accounts for those.

The debt figure gives you a pretty good idea, though. Imagine spending more than twice as much in interest each year as you spend in transportation, or fully 12% of your annual income. That's a pretty high burn rate...

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Originally posted by dEsidEL for all you jayx1'ers out there.. http://www.blogto.com/city/2007/07/...t_ttc_cutbacks/

LOL

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Comrade Miller is a dangerous man; we have him and Dalton McGuinty to blame for the Stronger City of Toronto for a Stronger Ontario Act, which is where this issue comes from.

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^ As oppose to the conservatives that had put kids education at risks with daily teacher strikes, esclated tensions with Natives and introduced massive cuts to social programs...

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Because civilized nations support their allies. Is it really that difficult for you to understand?

OMG! What a brilliant/ tight argument, give this man some sort of an award.

Canada/ any nation in the world can not win an ideological war. We need to leave that country ASAP...

The city is getting the short end of the funding stick... threatening these cut backs is their way of acting out in an effort to get the gov't to toss some more cash their way.

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Originally posted by activate The city is getting the short end of the funding stick... threatening these cut backs is their way of acting out in an effort to get the gov't to toss some more cash their way.

exactly. with the election coming up, they want this to become an election issue.

this is just politics.

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Originally posted by smuncky this is just politics.

ie: a head game.

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well if anyone is still curiuos, this is what a ttc operator makes these days.

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What Driving For the TTC Pays In response to a comment in the thread about TTC costs, someone claimed that a TTC operator made $75K per year. The perception of how well paid, or not, an operator is deserves its own thread, and here is a comment I received on the subject from an operator named Gord: Just a quick comment to correct a little bit of mis-information showing up in this discussion. Tom B. states that TTC operators earn about $30.00 per hour. I wish I did. The actual top rate of pay is $26.58 per hour for an operator with over 30 months on the job. Doing the basic math shows that $26.58 X 40 X 52 = $55,286.40 annually. If you factor in the cost of our benefits, pension, etc., I am sure that you can make the argument that we earn more than this but that is not what I actually receive in my pay each week. Just to set the record straight: I am paid for 8 hours and 53 minutes each weekday BUT my actual workday is 11 hours and 46 minutes long because I work split shifts (swing work in TTC parlance). I start work at 5:49 am and do not finish until 5:35 pm with 4 hours and 16 minutes between the two pieces of work that I do. I�fm not complaining; I choose my own work and I enjoy what I do (like most TTC operators). I don�ft have weekends off (but get two weekdays off instead) because only the most senior operators can get this work. In terms of operators/collectors showing up on the Sunshine list, think of how many hours they have had to work to get there. This is because there is a lot more work available than there are operators to do it. In order to provide service, the TTC needs to pay overtime to fill the vacancies. You are correct to state that recruitment is falling short. There are a lot of trainees who do not make it through training, and there are also a number who do not make it through their first year on the job due to the stress involved. Working for the TTC isn�ft a �g9 to 5�� job (unless you drive a night bus). We�fre on the job long before most people even wake up in order to be there when they want to go to work. I�fm sorry about the length of this comment (maybe you could start a new topic on the typical day in the life of a TTC operator). Steve: Don�ft worry about the length of the comment. Some of my regular contributors are rather long-winded themselves. Thanks for filling in this information for others to see. Just one bit of clarification: The reason for the oddball amount of time in a day is that an operator is paid for the time actually scheduled for the run plus some basic allowances such as travel time to and from the route if they don�ft pick up the bus or streetcar at a garage or carhouse. Very few operators get exactly 40 hours pay per week because it is impossible to divide up the work that way.

http://www.stevemunro.ca/?p=456

and here another little tidbit...

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Steve: In fact the TTC has had trouble recruiting operators even at the wages you cite. Getting people to apply is relatively easy, but getting them to (a) qualify and (b) stay on the job is much harder Based on a 40 hour week at $30/hour, the annual pay would come to about $62K. Add in benefits and you�fre up to the $75K level that you cite. To get up to $100K per year would require over 500 hours of overtime at time-and-a-half, and that is not something that anyone would do for free. Indeed, not paying someone for overtime is illegal under the labour laws, and there have been court cases to support this. I just looked at the �gsunshine list�h and there are only 17 operators out of the entire TTC staff who made over $100K, and then only barely. If you want to mess with wage rates and working conditions, get ready for (a) a long strike and (b) big problems hiring and retaining good drivers and other staff.

http://www.stevemunro.ca/?p=454

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Originally posted by geroin i understand the way it works, i'm saying if we didn't have to support the troops the budget per province would be much higher than it is now.

I think I'll skip the international consequences of not funding the Afghanistan mission and just go to the national consequences.

The municipal govts already tried to lobby the federal govt for direct transfer payments to cities few years ago. They failed, simply because it'd give feds more headaches. Simply, for example, if Toronto was to get half a billion (not some chump change!) to fund TTC, which only affects Toronto, the other cities are going to scream for the feds to fund their own pet projects and they'd have every right to make a case. Imagine what sort of potential political backlash (and not to mention vote loss) that'd result.

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded