no, it's not with his career ending after '98. before '99, he was 35 years old and didn't yet have 411 home runs. It's very debatable whether he would have gotten to 600 without steroids.

and most players don't decline much by that point. They may drop off a bit in those past few years, but until then, they're just gaining experience with bodies still in decent shape. after 35, though, they start to fall off. As I mentioned earlier, he had what was nearly a career-ending injury in 2002, even WITH steroids to help him get back.

The thing that is hard when you're comparing era's is that nowadays, there is more teams (watering down pitchers), tighter balls, smaller ballparks, and more. However, nowadays there is also more specialty relief pitching (guys throwing 101 mph in the 7th inning vs. a tired starter) and perhaps more nastier selection of pitches (splitter for example). So anytime we compare, one can never be sure of how great the differences would have been. Mays could have hit 800 Homers on the juice too. I'll never know.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous he's no hank aaron 'cuz hank aaron is the most overrated professional athlete ever.

when I said "he's no Hank Aaron" I meant personality wise, Aaron has class... he's not an asshole like Mays/Bonds...

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Originally posted by King Ecnal when I said "he's no Hank Aaron" I meant personality wise, Aaron has class... he's not an asshole like Mays/Bonds...

I'll give you that. He also had real death threats & prejudice thrown at him, while Barry Bonds doesn't, but makes just as big of a deal out of it.

does anybody have that Bonds quote about getting Ruth's "white ass out of the history books," or something to that effect? I wish I still did...

i am sure it has been mentioned before, but i think the Baseball Committee should set a standard change. There was "the dead ball" era, and now we should call this "the juiced" era. average numbers from 1999 are through the roof.

back in 2000, i did a statistical analysis of the change in baseball in my probability and statistics class, from the 1990s compared to the past, covering everything from batting to pitching. damn it i wished i saved it. i somehow lost it somewhere, thinking it wasn't really important. i had some really good data.

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or they could just raise the mound again. problem solved. that's been long overdue, anyway.

the problem is, Selig gave more thought to putting spiderman logos on the bases than he ever has to anything that would lower home run totals.

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Originally posted by inconspicuous or they could just raise the mound again. problem solved. that's been long overdue, anyway.

that too. then again, wasn't the reason why they lowered the mound, because the baseball panel was afraid baseball was getting too boring, and needed to speed up the games, and increase the number of runs scored?

nvm. this was before edit.

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Originally posted by LeopoldStotch that too. then again, wasn't the reason why they lowered the mound, because the baseball panel was afraid baseball was getting too boring, and needed to speed up the games, and increase the number of runs scored?

yep. see edit

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Originally posted by inconspicuous yep. see edit

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I just remembered that Spiderman nonsense and now I hate Selig even more...again. One of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

so how long before the winner of the home run derby earns aluminum bat privileges for his team in the playoffs?