another question -

any producers find you like less music once you start making your own?

since I started producing more seriously I have a lot more trouble putting sets together because I'm so fucking picky

I hate to seem like I keep plugging howells everywhere, but as you guys have shown, pretty much any hardcore music junkie who has seen him agrees.

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Another big up to Howells for his sets. You can tell he really knows what he's doing and loves what he does

Another big dj that does that for me is Digweed. I'm blown away each & every time I see him. Even if he's playing a few tracks that I've heard before there's just something about his overall set that's mind blowing.

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i've never been plur ever. i was born with a rotten heart.

well,

i try to expose other ppl to the gems, really. that's what i want to do.

Very interesting one. For me personally, it happens in cycles, I go through phases where I'm extremely disillusioned with EDM, the scene, and what's going on, and then a few months down the line, something happens that makes me become more hopeful, more enthusiastic. Right now, I'm somwhere hovering in the middle, neither here nor there. So in that respect I would say yes, you can return to PLUR.

Another valid point someone made was about maturity. When you're young & just get into trance, everything's rainbows, happiness, & magical pixielights, but years dwon the line, you become a much more discerning music lover, and realise that you don't need trance in your ears 24 hours a day, and that overkill is a real possibility, and overkill breeds cynicism.

For those of us, who have reached the jaded state, I think it's good, it makes you much more complete than the young ones who scream CHHOOONN all the time...

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Originally posted by basd If you want to let other people's opinions (negatively) influence your attitude towards certain types of music, sure, go ahead. To me it just doesn't work that way. Also, calling names makes you cool

it does on the net. daddy cool

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Found a quote recently that made me think of this thread. I didn't want to start a new thread about being "jaded," so I decided to bump this one:

"All the excitement that I felt in the mid-eighties, when I came across white labels in Chicago, and all the excitement I felt when people began doing drug-riddled events in Britain, which were later called "raves," but at that time were just drug-riddled events, you know, is gone. I feel there's just formalization, commodification, assimilation -- all the things that were the enemy in the seventies are back with a vengeance and it doesn't excite me. I was excited by music in the sixties because it was sexy, rebellious, and everyone hated it. It confused even me. I'd never come across it before, and I didn't know what the next sound was going to be. Adding to this appeal was the fact that often I couldn't go out and buy it anywhere. I couldn't see it on television and it wasn't in magazines, except scare stories saying it was destroying civilization. I liked that, you see. I think that's what we're supposed to be doing. We're supposed to scare everyone. We're supposed to try and find things that are sexy. We're supposed to feel confused and exhilarated and to have experiences we never had before. We're not meant to get jaded. We're not meant to know the ruling peer group's approved mode of dress or how to dance to it in advance. The expected is the enemy. When I woke up one morning and realized I knew what the flyers for the raves would look like and what software was used to do the graphics and that there would be Hindu deities on the back, even the choice of typefaces and how long it was going to last. When I even knew all the DJs and what they were going to play, and I knew the people who did the light show, and I knew exactly what videos they were going to use I thought, "Why do I go? Why on earth would I go to this?" "So it's on a beach...big deal. You know, I can go to a beach and take drugs anyway. I don't need to go and deal with 10,000 people who do not think, you know?" The joy of true creativity is the exploration of the unpredictable. At the point that creative energy becomes fully predictable and formularized, the flickering spirit of the divine is extinguished and camouflaged conservatism takes over, fed by the desire of many to be safe within the familiar.

- Genesis P-Orridge (quoted in Modulations: A History of Electronic Music, 2000)

Sure.

Just stop being an asshole.

Easy, huh? :P

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Sure, take a hit of some really nice weed, then listen to random tracks in your music collection.

i like your style

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I've tried really hard to convince myself that my attachments to the past are pure nostalgia, and that anyone new to any scene experiences the same sense of exhilaration and newness. But I honestly think that a large part of the loss is related to the quality and style of the music itself.

Let's take trance as a case study. The entire ethos of trance at its peak (here I mean the carefree emotionality, the massive venues, the mindlessness) was fueled by the style of music: trippy, melodic, sometimes euphoric. The same culture wouldn't have developed around a different sound, and I think it's erroneous for people to treat the rise and fall of that trance "feeling" as simply an instance of jaded fans. People dropped out from trance when the commerical side of things became too overbearing and production values began to slip. The genre became too glossy and top-heavy, and the decline in quality was unsustainable. There are big problems when Oliver Lieb formally divorces the genre he helped to found. Seeing so many old producers pump out awful pop-oriented material from 2003 on was heart-rending, as was the amateurish desktop production that picked up the slack. It wasn't just a case of becoming jaded, because the quality collapsed. I can still uncover music from old 90s sets and be wowed, because it was made with the contemporary culture in mind, which attracted me.

There's a lot of quality house being made right now, for example, but it's a totally different mood. If that appeals to your taste, it's a great time to be into things. But if you liked the upbeat, hypnotic, colorful, and accessible feel of the trance era, there's not much to grasp to these days. It's easy to feel jaded in that situation, but I think it has at least as much to do with the style and quality of production. The trance and progressive "culture" stemmed from the way the music sounded.

I do think jadedness matters, but not as much as some people make it out to be. The music went south, too.

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Really now, would you really want everything to be the same after all of these years?

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