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Originally posted by Trancer-X He also claimed to have had several visions in which he met the spirit that guided the universe.

Here's your mission should you choose to take it!

What's the Ven diagram of your research reveal?

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Originally posted by venomX To wrap up, if you are stating that the conscious eye is merely a reflection of the third eye(s) then we are in disagreement. If you are stating that most of the processes that turn raw data into information occur in the third eye, and are then relied to the conscious mind as aggregates, then we are in agreement.

Do you hear that beeping noise? It's the sound of a truck backing up with a brand new bunch of analogies!

I've now got a new model of how I think things work, that will complicate things, and since it is built on my old model (which it is clear that you do not agree with ) it will be problematic. But I'll throw it out there anyway.


First to address your last post. For simplicities sake at this time I am going with a model of the 'thought workshop' that delivers its conclusions to a conscious mind that does zero processing based on some mechanism of distilling whatever it is thinking into an output of 100 thought words per minute. I will throw this conclusion out the window in a minute...

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I have a brand new model of everything... I'm keeping how the 'thought workshop' thinks. But how it relates to the conscious mind is new.

Let's start by equating 'thought workshop' as being equivalent to 'sight'. And let's make 'feeling' or the 'heart workshop as being equivalent to 'hearing'.

What I'm trying to do by creating this parallel is suggest that 'feeling' is a separate and distinct method of deciphering the world around us that is similar to thinking but that works in a different way.

The problem with discussing the 'heart workshop' is that all of the language that we use to describe it, are terms that were developed to describe modes of thought, and therefore when applied to this different realm results in a somewhat awkward attempt to capture its essence.

A better analogy to discuss these two mental faculties would be to say that Spock = 'thought workshop' and Kirk = 'heart workshop'. Each is using a different tool set with which to evaluate things.

Some sample 'heart workshop' dominated activities would include painting and playing music and listening to music and looking at paintings.

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What my new conception of the conscious mind then is, that it is the place where these two workshops meet.

My conception of how they meet, is that let's say 'thought' outputs Oxygen, and 'heart' outputs 'hydrogen', then the conscious mind is water (aka 'water is everything you experience as consciousness). This water is *more* than either faculty alone. The net effect that it is this water that turns the steering wheel of your mind.

If it turns left, then it is relying on a higher 'thought' ratio, if it turns right, then it is relying on a higher 'heart' ratio.


To repeat that with related analogy it is like a hybrid car's engine. Where instead of a computer deciding if it should be running on gas or electric or a combination of both, *YOU* whoever that is, is the natural product of these two elements mixing. And *YOU* naturally shift the mix as *YOU* wander through life.

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Originally posted by venomX I will also go ahead and say that I am having quite a bit of fun with this conversation .

My own experience of TA in general is like having a bath in a mildly corrosive acid

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Originally posted by Subey Here's your mission should you choose to take it! What's the Ven diagram of your research reveal?

If someone were to draw a Venn diagram of all of this it would probably look similar to the Seed of Life

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower...fe#Seed_of_Life

Parable 1 - Other side of the Shield

On the outskirts of a village a statue was erected in honor of one of its hero. It had a sword in one hand and a shield in the other. One side of the shield was covered with gold while the other one was covered with silver. Two unknown persons came there each from the opposite direction and began expressing their views. One said that the statue was beautiful and more so because its shield was covered with gold. The other said that the shield was not covered with gold but was with silver. A quarrel ensued between them. A wise man came from the village by that time and said that the shield was covered with gold as well as silver. Let both of you just exchange your places and see the other side of the shield. Both realized their error and apologized to each other for fighting falsely.


Parable 2 - Blind Men and Elephant

Once a royal retinue was stopping at a village to spend their afternoon. The village folks came there and amongst them there were six blind men. All had heard a lot about elephants but none had ever been able to see one. They requested the care-taker to allow them to touch the elephant so that they may be able to make out what the elephant could be like. They were permitted to do so. The first who came across the ears stated that the elephant was like a tusk weeding tool (Supada). The other caught hold of the trunk and stated that the elephant was like a big wooden pestle. The third touched the tusks and said it was like a big windpipe. The fourth touched the legs and said it was like a big pillar. The fifth felt the stomach and said it looked like a water-bag. The sixth had a tail in his hand and said it appeared to him like a broom. Each thought that his version was right and others were wrong. The care-taker said that none of them had ever seen the elephant fully. Each one had merely seen one limb and from that data each one had given his surmises about the whole elephant. This was, therefore, the cause of their quarrel. He explained the whole position, and all the blind men became silent and departed.

By these parables, one thing certainly becomes clear that the same thing can be explained from different stand points and any description of a thing would be true from one stand point but from this it cannot mean that the other points of view cannot be right. From the above it follows that to comprehend the real nature of any thing one must pay due regard to all points of view. Viewing things in this light, one will have to admit that everything in this world involves endless points of view and has endless characteristics.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X If someone were to draw a Venn diagram of all of this it would probably look similar to the Seed of Life http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower...fe#Seed_of_Life

That's the Silver Side

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You guys lost me on page 1. When psych gets deep, I lose it..

Very insightful though after reading it all..

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Originally posted by Trancer-X quote: Originally posted by DJ Shibby As for me, I'm a big fan of organized chaos. ?

I know this probably deserves it's own thread, but...

http://www.historyisaweapon.com/def...p.html#SECTION1

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Originally posted by Subey Trancer-X you've been doing your homework!

I wish I could challenge others to do the same!!

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“Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a Spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe – a Spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive.” - Albert Einstein, 1936

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Originally posted by Trancer-X ?

What I find really interseting about the New Age movement and it's followers is that most of them are completely oblivious about the fact that the counter cultural movements incorperating 'free love' hippy ideas and psuedo-mysticism are movements largely pushed and encouraged by well known satanist (yes, literally member of Anton LaVey's Church of Satan in SF) and 33rd and 32nd degree masons who also happen to be IRREGULAR masons, and I'm not just refering to the Memphis Lodge or a variety of US Lodges that are not considered regular Masonry. People are so ignorant and gullible it's amazing. The most amusing part is how contrived movement and counter cultural phenomenon is somehow considered rebelious and resistance from the people against the system in one way or another when it's anything but... * shakes head * Crowley and what the OTO started left a imprint on post modern society that couldn't be more glaringly obvious to any informed person. But Crowley already 'prophesied' this in his life time, which he was absolutely correct about. Hopefully you know what I'm talking about.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z What I find really interseting about the New Age movement and it's followers is that most of them are completely oblivious about the fact that the counter cultural movements incorperating 'free love' hippy ideas and psuedo-mysticism are movements largely pushed and encouraged by well known satanist (yes, literally member of Anton LaVey's Church of Satan in SF) and 33rd and 32nd degree masons who also happen to be IRREGULAR masons, and I'm not just refering to the Memphis Lodge or a variety of US Lodges that are not considered regular Masonry. People are so ignorant and gullible it's amazing. The most amusing part is how contrived movement and counter cultural phenomenon is somehow considered rebelious and resistance from the people against the system in one way or another when it's anything but... * shakes head * Crowley and what the OTO started left a imprint on post modern society that couldn't be more glaringly obvious to any informed person. But Crowley already 'prophesied' this in his life time, which he was absolutely correct about. Hopefully you know what I'm talking about.

I don't really believe in organized religion because I think that people need to follow their own paths. I wouldn't want to rely on any one group or train of thought to get me anywhere (except maybe indoctrinated.) Over time we have created both entrance and exit ramps on the road to enlightenment so I think it's really just up to each of us to try and figure out the best way to get there.

For all we know, the Shamans of Central and South America might know the best way.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X I don't really believe in organized religion because I think that people need to follow their own paths. I wouldn't want to rely on any one group or train of thought to get me anywhere (except maybe indoctrinated.) Over time we have created both entrance and exit ramps on the road to enlightenment so I think it's really just up to each of us to try and figure out the best way to get there. For all we know, the Shamans of Central and South America might know the best way.

I'll say this much about the Shamans, they were definetly tripping on some damn potent mushrooms .

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller