Yup, there are no sources whatsoever, everything Krypton has said is true...until he actually goes into bookstores and starts reading the truth.
George, you know I fuckin hate terrorists. I was shocked and saddened by the actions that occured on 9/11. The terrorists have no one to blame but themselves. Stop making excuses for them.

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Originally posted by CHRles Yup, there are no sources whatsoever, everything Krypton has said is true...until he actually goes into bookstores and starts reading the truth. George, you know I fuckin hate terrorists. I was shocked and saddened by the actions that occured on 9/11. The terrorists have no one to blame but themselves. Stop making excuses for them.

Who the fuck has ever made excuses for 9/11 on this forum? I'm certainly not aware of anyone (sane).

You, on the other hand, seem to support policies that promote attacking the US (and other countries) and oppose policies that might help stop these attacks.

If anyone's a terrorist lover its you...

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Originally posted by George Smiley Who the fuck has ever made excuses for 9/11 on this forum? I'm certainly not aware of anyone (sane). You, on the other hand, seem to support policies that promote attacking the US (and other countries) and oppose policies that might help stop these attacks. If anyone's a terrorist lover its you...

Riiiiight. This coming from the same person that defends Hugo Chavez, wants to help the Muslim Brotherhood take over Egypt, and turns a blind eye to the actions of terrorists.
Yup, your credibility speaks for itself terrorist lover

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Originally posted by CHRles Riiiiight. This coming from the same person that defends Hugo Chavez, wants to help the Muslim Brotherhood take over Egypt, and turns a blind eye to the actions of terrorists. Yup, your credibility speaks for itself terrorist lover

I don't see what Chavez has to do with this?

But lets talk about the Muslim Brotherhood because that's a good example of how you support the murder of innocent Americans...

You support the American policy of supporting dictatorships which are the sole origin of Islamic terrorism against the West. Because you support dictatorships and the oppression of people, you are supporting the causes of terrorism.

YOU SUPPORT TERRORISM - YOU SUPPORT KILLING INNOCENT AMERICANS

Yes b/c the Muslim Brother is so much better, more tolerant, and has never been associated with terrorism right?

Try again, terrorist lover.

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Originally posted by CHRles Yes b/c the Muslim Brother is so much better, more tolerant, and has never been associated with terrorism right? Try again, terrorist lover.

But their terrorism (albeit not against America) is the result of your support for dictatorships. If you had not supported the oppression of the Egyptians then the Muslim Brotherhood would never have turned to terrorism. If you had not supported the oppression of the Palestinians the Islamic terrorists would have one less major reason to attack the US. If you had not supported the Saudi dictatorship the other major factor encouraging terrorism against America would not exist.

Face facts, you support the causes of terrorism against America, YOU SUPPORT THE MURDER OF ALL THOSE PEOPLE IN THE TOWERS

Blah, blah, blah. The muslim brother predates the "palestinian cause". It started while the UK, you know - the country where you currently live in, was in control of Egypt.

Stop blaming the West and start blaming the muslim brotherhood instead for what they do.

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Originally posted by CHRles Blah, blah, blah. The muslim brother predates the "palestinian cause". It started while the UK, you know - the country where you currently live in, was in control of Egypt. Stop blaming the West and start blaming the muslim brotherhood instead for what they do.

But if the West did not support oppressing the populations of the Middle East, then there would be no terrorism against the West. The whole Islamist ideology was born out of oppression from dictatorships - dictatorships supported by the West...

If you support those dictatorships you support the causes of terrorism...

You're the terrorist lover...

But if the West had not supported those dictators, some of those countries would have fallen under Cummunist rule.
In other Middle Eastern countries there was a long tradition of monarch rule, just like in many western countries.
And finally, in some countries the dictators were/are seen as the less of two greater evils. The West would much rather back a moderate dictator like Mubarak then a group like the Muslim Brotherhood. That is not to say the Mubarak administration is perfect - I constantly read about journalists in Egypt being jailed, and other innocent people being wronged. I firmly believe though that things would be a lot worse under the rule of the muslim brotherhood.

Anyways, you're prolly the only one on this board who I've called a terrorist lover yet don't really believe you are one. We may differ on our views, but I do know that you have a vast knowledge of global history.

So let me ask you this then: based on what you know, whats your overall impression of the situation in Iran and with Iran? Where is that country headed? What kind of future are we facing with them?

I think we're coming pretty near to seeing your "terrorist lover" branding and name calling to a close, CHRles. No one in their right mind on this board that I've seen on either side of the aisle (or in between for that matter) supports the acts of any terrorist. That branding in of itself does not add anything worthwhile to the discourse on this thread or any other that you posted. I'm sure you're fully awre of that, yet you continue unabated.

I will state one more time for you - the Mods do not take kindly to name calling in the PDD forum. I can guarantee you with near 100% certainty that you will either be banned or suspended out of PDD should you continue with your willful abuse of #2 rule posted by Lira. Numerous other posters who've demonstrated similar (even less) behavior than this have been banned from this forum in the past.

I think you have an opinion that's worth offering, and no one wants to quell your voice in the debate. But the inevitable will happen if you cannot debate with integrity and cease with the "terrorist lover" branding. That simply does not bolster your points.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 I think we're coming pretty near to seeing your "terrorist lover" branding and name calling to a close, CHRles. No one in their right mind on this board that I've seen on either side of the aisle (or in between for that matter) supports the acts of any terrorist. That branding in of itself does not add anything worthwhile to the discourse on this thread or any other that you posted. I'm sure you're fully awre of that, yet you continue unabated. I will state one more time for you - the Mods do not take kindly to name calling in the PDD forum. I can guarantee you with near 100% certainty that you will either be banned or suspended out of PDD should you continue with your willful abuse of #2 rule posted by Lira. Numerous other posters who've demonstrated similar (even less) behavior than this have been banned from this forum in the past. I think you have an opinion that's worth offering, and no one wants to quell your voice in the debate. But the inevitable will happen if you cannot debate with integrity and cease with the "terrorist lover" branding. That simply does not bolster your points.

I'll try and refrain from using that reference.
Have you noticed though how certain individuals on this board who don't like what I said immediately tried to play down everyone that lives in the South, or one individual going so far as to say "bomb Nashville"? I could just as easily be posting from Kansas City. That same poster could have just as easily said "bomb Kansas City", and he has a long history of encouraging such things on the West in the past.

Posters like that will blame all of society's ills on western governments. They fail to look at the bigger picture.
The US sadly has its own homegrown terrorist movements, which we've seen in action during the bombings on OKC. These were Americans so they couldn't come up with the same lame excuses as given by people like Bin Laden.
Bin Laden can blame the US all he wants, but he and his followers are to blame for their actions. Furthermore, the country in which they were based out of, Afghanistan, did nothing to eradicate terrorism from its borders prior to US intervention.
That is why there is American presence abroad b/c many of the governments in the Middle East are too weak to take care of their own terrorist groups.

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Originally posted by CHRles So let me ask you this then: based on what you know, whats your overall impression of the situation in Iran and with Iran? Where is that country headed? What kind of future are we facing with them?

I don't know much about Iran I'm afraid!

I do find it quite funny tho that your concerns are now focused on Iran, rather than al-Qaida, or Iraq, or Syria.

America's paranoia keeps shifting onto new targets all the time! I don't understand American paranoia but what I do know is that America has always needed an international boogie man to feel secure - they just know that there is an enemy out there somewhere!

Iran poses no threat, terrorist or conventional, to America. They only came under the American microscope because they (allegedly) support Shiites in Iraq, which has hampered the American plan to get a US-friendly government installed completely at odds with democracy (Sadr's group should probably be in charge). They also support the Shiite Hizballah which threatens Israel (even that is not an existential threat).

But there is no international Shiite terrorist threat. The international Islamist terrorist threat is from al-Qaida and their followers - Sunni terrorism. But America either thinks the two are the same, or they are trying to create that impression to pursue their international agenda with no criticism from their electorate.

I personally don't see Iran as a threat, just as I didn't see Saddam as a threat. But I'm British and not Israeli...and American foreign policy puts the security of Israel at the top of its agenda...

But I don't think Iran would even think about attacking Israel, despite the rhetoric. That would end the Iranian regime.

I don't particularly see much difference between Islamic political ideology promoted by the Islamists of the world and Christian political ideology promoted by the Christian right in America. I think we are paranoid that Islamists want to kill all non-Muslims and take over the world, but this is a very poor knowledge of why Islamism came on the scene in the first place and what they actually want.

Islamists target the West because we support their oppression. If we didn't support their oppression, then the people of those countries would be free to decide their own future and I don't think we'd have the problems we do today...