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Originally posted by Spirit5 It's like someone who loves old cars but never has driven in one...and feels like the old cars as so much better because they are old...

No it's not. Those who say they like the music say so because they've heard it. Or do you actually take everyone here for liars just because they claim to like early trance? Wtf?

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Originally posted by SMC No it's not. Those who say they like the music say so because they've heard it. Or do you actually take everyone here for liars just because they claim to like early trance? Wtf?

It's not about whether they like it or not, it's about somehow making the scene and everything else to be so much better about it like you were there at that time and heard it for the first time. I don't take people here for liars, but I do take people here for focusing so much on this old stuff and not actively trying to find new, fresh material but rehashing old stuff, no matter how old it is/was..I'm talking about both the early 90s and late 90s and early 00s music. I hear more bashing of new tracks and making it out to be like trance is dead, this is not "proper" or "true" trance...I mean WTF? Yeah WTF, why the elitism? It's pathetic.

"Things were so much better back then..." why, how? were you there? And the implication that all of these producers have done it wrong because they didn't produce stuff exactly like they were done back then (by using some breakdowns, more melodies, some vocals even). I don't even think I would have gotten into the music if it weren't for the stuff from later ones (Salt Tank, Chicane, BT, PvD, Robert Miles etc). And look....Visions Of Shiva has PvD and guess who help guess who got me into trance? PvD....so am I being misled by getting into PvD's music? Like On Seven Ways? That's trance right? or am I wrong?

It's the feeling that pisses me off since I started posting on here that what I like isn't trance. It's like living a lie, but is what I like THAT different from what others like as well? Am I somehow in the minority? It's like a "trance" producer I used to know..whose also a DJ from my local area, who told me I couldn't mix...when I had been mixing for two years and thought I had it right. I felt like crap, it's the same with being told either what you like sucks or isn't what it actually is but it's what is pretty well established that it is.

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Originally posted by nefardec i'm not into artists, i'm into music check the end of that post you're quoting

But how do you find music if you don't know the artist? Like with CDs..how do you find a CD without giving credit to who made the CD? The music is the most important, but the artist is equally important to the production of the music. It's not just made by nameless robots.

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Things were so much better back then..." why, how? were you there?

AFAIK, no one has said that in this thread. I think you are arguing against a fantasy person that embodies all of your frustrations.

Why are you arguing this? Does it make you more secure or do elitists make you feel awkward?



Read what SYSTEM-J wrote earlier in the thread:

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I suppose the point that emerges, un-rehearsed from this rambling is that a lot of us think the early 90s were better than today, but we don't necessarily want today to be like the early 90s. We want our period to be as good as back then, but we want it be ours, fresh and uncharted and "right here, right now" to us, which isn't always the case. Particularly in trance.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 But how do you find music if you don't know the artist? Like with CDs..how do you find a CD without giving credit to who made the CD? The music is the most important, but the artist is equally important to the production of the music. It's not just made by nameless robots.

I hope you're just trying to troll me and not so dense in reality

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Originally posted by nefardec AFAIK, no one has said that in this thread. I think you are arguing against a fantasy person that embodies all of your frustrations. Why are you arguing this? Does it make you more secure or do elitists make you feel awkward?

The elitists make me feel like I'm living a lie because I could have sworn most of the music I've liked since the late 90s is known as trance and doesn't sound THAT much differnt from the music the elists tell me is better. Do you consider Salt Tank to be trance? Tastexperience? early BT? PvD? Chicane? early Robert Miles? Ayla/DJ Tandu? Vincent de Moore? Lange? DJ Taucher? early Armin van Buuren? early Above & Beyond, Altitude/Steve Gibbs? Three Drives? Transa? Steve Helstrip? Ralph Barendse? old Tiesto mixes/productions/collabs, Ferry Corsten... all of these are artists i've liked over the years and have considered "trance".

Why do you have to make the discussion about you, your problems and your beef with The Elitists™ and all of TA?

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Originally posted by SMC Why do you have to make the discussion about you and your problems?

Because I have posted on this forum for two years and have yet to really enjoy the discussion because it almost always turns into arguments about whose trance is better, what is REAL trance, whose music sucks...etc etc etc. It's not about my problems, it's about my problem with this forum and these threads that always turn into the same old "those were the glory days, nothing else comes close!" like those feelings are shared throughout..by everyone and I am in the minority when there's plenty of people who like the same stuff. So why can't we just discuss it without arguing? And my beef with TA is because it's a misleading title for a forum where only those who have a certain mindset or certain style they like..are accepted.

Like trance? There's going to be people on here who don't like trance. Don't like trance? There's going to be people on here who like trance. And the elitists...well they speak as if they speak for everybody and bash those who might like something different or think differently or approach the music differently or whatnot...I came on this forum hoping to talk to others who liked the same type of music, but I find it's not really so much about the music I like.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 "Things were so much better back then..." why, how? were you there?

Can you ever start to read what people actually post? This have been answered already.

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it's more conceptual, more ballsy, more futuristic - those who made it were actively breaking away from society. this was and remains a romantic ideal for many angsty and intelligent misanthropes around the world.

And stop the obsession with that you had to have been there to enjoy it.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 And stop the obsession with that you had to have been there to enjoy it.

huh?

I've already said I don't mean to imply that, I mean to imply those who feel like they've been there because they feel back then it was so much better..but my question is..have they actually experienced something or are they just basing it off of what others have told them? Maybe you need to read my later posts on this thread to understand.

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Originally posted by nefardec huh?

that was directed towards him

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