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| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Yes, maybe structurally speaking it is, but IMO, and I can't stress that enough, it is too often trying to over-inflate weak ideas. If a minimal/techno/tech track has boring sounds and re-hashed ideas, you usually hear it right away. I don't need melodies reverbed to kingdom come, or andy moor style echoed all over the place to make them seem much more complex than they actually are. I don't need snare rolls or a kick roll or whatever to announce that the breakdown is coming to an end, or excessive drama where it is un-needed. I like subtle music. I always have, I just never knew where to look for it, and that is what I'm trying to explain to you. Some of my favorite trance tracks are the ones that are simple and focus on simplicity in structure and good, interesting noises and tones, without all the riff-raff that i hear so often today. Also, I will not call it neo-trance because I think its a stupid term, but theres a lot of melodic techno coming out that is almost taking trance back to its roots.
And once again, where did I say one is superior to the other? I said I think one is better music, but thats my right and opinion. Just as that dude in the Danny Howells thread is free to hate all sax in tracks and think Danny is boring as piss. Imo, his loss, but I'm not losing any sleep over it.
If I may put it in a few words describing a personal example, here is something I have noticed when I listen to the music I like today vs. the trance I used to love so much. Trance gave me that euphoric rush Spirit5 is talking about, often, especially when I was new to it. When builds explode, melodies come back, basslines drop, you get that wonderful tingle all over, that which music triggers in the brain and makes you feel good. But after a while, it constantly felt like I was being told over and over "HERE IT COMES HERE IT COMES HERE IT COMES!!!!" The magic was lost, the anticipation and surprise muted. Now...I'll be sitting there listening to a tune/set and it will happen without me noticing, just all of a sudden, and that is what I love. |
"If minimal/techno track has weak ideas you hear it right away" oh really how come? Do you have the minimal/techno creativity-meter in your pocket alarming you to each weak idea that a track has? (and yes, i believe you are indeed a bondwagoner, i can probably see you after a few years saying how stupid you were for listening to minimal/techno). These ofcourse are relative criteria. You can judge the complexity of a track, but judging something more abstract such as its "ideas" is indeed subjective (and related to past experiences, ooverall exposure and knowledge to music, emotional state at the present moment, personality etc.). Was the new "Joris Voorn" album creative? Some will rave that it was the most creative album they've heard in their lives. I would say that it used the same Detroit formula that we hear from mid-90s only more polished and with better production-no different then whats happening with epic-trance today in comparison to the epic-trance of 98 (same formula, better production). Seriously i thing that i've heard all tracks of Voorn's new album in the past, only with lesser production. Now, thats ofcourse doesn't make it a bad album. It is indeed a good album for what it is (a detroit techno album). Can you see that it is not music in itself that it is bad it is you in relation to music. You are exposed to so many lead-lines and break-downs it makes you thing that it is bad music (because you are used to it, you have habituated to it). A youngster listening to an Armin set won't agree with you! The same with an old techno fan listening to Voorn's new album saying that it has a "Samey-same" formula...
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