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TheFox00
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Originally posted by Zombie0729
if you know anything about the subject you give advice -- a lot of people who throw these nights read these threads. if you think the sound sucks, state what you feel is missing, if you think the venue security was an issue state it... these people are always trying to make their club nights better but just saying "san diego clubs suck" is just a useless post


I was asking a rhetorical question in response to darthseph's post. I did live in San Diego for most of my life. I moved up to Los Angeles about a year ago. I have written some posts regards pros and cons on club nights in San Diego. But I keep writing the same things over and over again. I have seen you spin a number of times at Belo and you have done an amazing job each time but the venue and DJ go hand in hand. When you have lackluster sound, horrible bouncers and a pushy rude crowd it does create distractions from the DJ's performance. I don't think Clubs in San Diego can change as they are not built nor are they willing to put a great deal of effort into becoming a premier dance music location...

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darthseph
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Originally posted by TheFox00
I was asking a rhetorical question in response to darthseph's post. I did live in San Diego for most of my life. I moved up to Los Angeles about a year ago. I have written some posts regards pros and cons on club nights in San Diego. But I keep writing the same things over and over again. I have seen you spin a number of times at Belo and you have done an amazing job each time but the venue and DJ go hand in hand. When you have lackluster sound, horrible bouncers and a pushy rude crowd it does create distractions from the DJ's performance. I don't think Clubs in San Diego can change as they are not built nor are they willing to put a great deal of effort into becoming a premier dance music location...


I don't see the posts your talking about really... even after looking for all your posts (I saw a grand total of one explaining what you thought was wrong with Belo). It's just really old to say "The crowd sucks! The venue sucks!" in half this thread after it was really about an event.

My point was this... people love to complain the sound is horrible at a venue... but they have no concept of time or money or structure of a room and how sounds play off it (in the greater scheme of things here... I'm making a generalization). People think running a club is easy... and it really isn't... how many great clubs for dance music are there in LA... really...? I know people enjoy a total of 3. How many have tired to make it? I guarantee its well over 5 times that amount in the history of the area.

If you talk to most people in the area... San Diego specifically... most poeple don't know a thing about dance culture. Now why might that be? I think you have to blame it on outlets for the music in the region. Hell, the United States media backlashed against the dance movement of the late 90's for fear of a drug epidemic... so why would people know.

Here's a few brief ideas I've been planning out as thoughts:
1st - GET DANCE MUSIC ON THE RADIO! I do this with my own radio show.. . I even dedicate a third of it to DJs locally or internationally to get exposure. This can be one of the biggest things to help educate the masses.

2nd - Look at the people the clubs cater to. I can tell you it isn't the "scenesters." Clubs are interested in filling their bars and pulling people for a DJ is somewhat second. That is unless they know more people will come due to the DJs spinning. So a fundamental change has to be made there.

3rd - Stop the bickering between groups. This would be huge if people just worked together instead of against one another. The scene could well enough provide numbers for a decent massive in San Diego, IF people worked together (provided a good spot for one could be found too).

Anyways... enough of my rant. I'll admit... the sound in both Broadway and Belo isn't great... its very much about raw kick at Belo and gets lost in the space the few times I've been at Broadway. As I'm not a sound designer, I don't have the knowledge to really fix these problems. Yet, instead of saying the sound sucks on TA... I try to find someone that I can network with to help fix the problems (owners, promoters, talent... whomever it is); and even here... I've not just said "The sound sucks." I've given a reason for that belief. To my ears... the sounds are disproportionate to one another and to the venue's layout.

I guess... my thought on the matter... stop the spouting of problem phrases and get in touch with making a difference if it matters that much to you.


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TheFox00
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darthseph I agree 100%. Very well put. I have had great club nights in San Diego at 4th and B when Giant had Love Fridays and also at Club Montage (back in the day). Never had a problem with these venues that I have had with On Broadway and Belo. Therefore, I have seen it done before. That is why I am hard on these clubs. I think these message boards are a great way to air out frustrations. People should not just put..."the club sucks" (which I never said by the way)...I believe in my first post on this thread I put that the sound for Belo is not big enough and you can hear people talking. If promoters do read this board then this can be an easy fix.

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