I personally don't give two shits about someone's opinion on what I listen to. That's why I stopped frequenting di.fm forums during liveset and same goes for TA section dedicated to that. I don't need to hear 93239 nooblars' opinion that track being played is shit.

To butcher-quote Brick Top from "Snatch", "If I throw a dog a bone, I don't want to know if it tastes good or not". The way I look at it is simple - you like the music, great. Don't like it? Don't listen. I hate all this fucking ragging on this on that - simple, cheese or not - you decide. Don't let some idiot who listens to "beep beep screetch scratch crunk dink bleep! boink tsoin swoosh poosh peeeep" and thinks it's great stuff, coz you know - this shite here is dog's bollox, it's "minimal", tell you what's cheese (according to him/her) and what's not. I say to those c*nts - fuck yaaaaaa, you know? Take that minimal shit and massively shove it up your ass, ya fucking elitist shite.

I can listen to Ian Van Dahl, Lasgo, DJ Sammy, and whoever the fuck else I like and I don't need anyone to tell me it's shit. On some days I need a dose of 16 Bit Lolitas, some serious Nathan Fake pwnage or filthy dirty house... And on some days I need my helping of vitamins and calcium - e.g. fruity cheese like "Burned with desire".

That's just my $0.02, maximally inserted up some massive minimal elitist c*nt's bumhole.

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Originally posted by breakfast it's A State of Commercial cheese

lmao

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Originally posted by Paradox Lost unless there's 'underground Epic' somewhere that has managed to go unnoticed/untainted.

isn't that the whole point of it being underground?

Yeah, a little redundant there.

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Originally posted by isoterra isn't that the whole point of it being underground?

But isn't that an irony in the description? Epic Trance is supposed to have feel good melodies, big hands-in-the-air breakdowns and occasional cheesy vocals. It's Pop music for the EDM crowd, which is fine and all, but how can Pop music be underground?

And people, stop thinking Pop is a derogatory term. Its a descriptor for music that is popular, and usually follows a catchy formula (in Epic Trance's case its something like "build-up/verse/chorus or breakdown/verse/chorus/BIG FUCKING BREAKDOWN/end beats"). If you like Pop music, then say you like Pop music (I like J-Pop for christsake!), but don't say that your Pop music has some higher purpose or meaning other than to entertain.

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Originally posted by Dojomaster26 But isn't that an irony in the description? Epic Trance is supposed to have feel good melodies, big hands-in-the-air breakdowns and occasional cheesy vocals. It's Pop music for the EDM crowd, which is fine and all, but how can Pop music be underground?

I'm sure many would argue that Epic Trance is an end result of a larger popularization process within Trance itself (and I would be inclined to agree), but I was saying it in the spirit of there possibly existing some distinctive variety of Epic Trance that sets it apart from 'pop Epic,' and has managed to remain beneath the radars of big name Trance jocks.

I really don't think this is the case, as there's only so much structural/conceptual variety possible for Epic Trance, and it all just resides on an implausible level of splitting genre hairs.

And yes, there's no need to assign 'pop music' with a negative connotation, seeing it more often than not doesn't pretend to be anything else, and serves its stated function.

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Originally posted by Dojomaster26 But isn't that an irony in the description? Epic Trance is supposed to have feel good melodies, big hands-in-the-air breakdowns and occasional cheesy vocals. It's Pop music for the EDM crowd, which is fine and all, but how can Pop music be underground? And people, stop thinking Pop is a derogatory term. Its a descriptor for music that is popular, and usually follows a catchy formula (in Epic Trance's case its something like "build-up/verse/chorus or breakdown/verse/chorus/BIG FUCKING BREAKDOWN/end beats"). If you like Pop music, then say you like Pop music (I like J-Pop for christsake!), but don't say that your Pop music has some higher purpose or meaning other than to entertain.

I don't think that any EDM (and not only trance) has any "higher purpose" or meaning other than to entertain. All EDM is easy and catchy four-to-the-floor music made for the purpose of being played in some club of some sorts. One canno't go far from a musical perspective if his/her purpose is to create a "Dance" track based on a clearly pronounced "four-to-the-flour" beat. The only reason i used to like Epic Trance more in comparison to other EDM sub-genres (although i also used to like detroit [deep] techno and old-school British prog-house and deep house a lot as well) back in the day was because Epic Trance was the most musical of all. I mean, epic/melodic (or uplifting or anthem you call it)trance usually had the higher number of notes making it the most "melodic" of all EDM sub-genres, simple as that...(ofcourse i don't count as "EDM" the more serious and arty Aphex Twin, Autechre, Bola, Proem, Arovane, Apparat, Boards of Canada etc.IDM/electronica/Ambient stuff of which i consider it to be a different thing altogether and certainly has little to do with "Dancing! [despite the "D" in IDM])

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Originally posted by Dojomaster26 Epic Trance is supposed to have feel good melodies, big hands-in-the-air breakdowns and occasional cheesy vocals.

it isn't 'supposed' to possess any of those things. sometimes it does, but that's a ridiculous generalisation

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It's Pop music for the EDM crowd, which is fine and all, but how can Pop music be underground?

by not being aimed at the masses? it may come as news to you that people who produce epic trance don't necessarily do it to try & appeal to as wide a crowd as possible & make a name for themselves; they do it because it's the kind of music they like. plenty of the time they're happy enough unloading it onto a small-time digital label, too. if you care enough to dig for it there's loads of barely-heard-of epic trance out there that isn't being played by the likes of armin

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And people, stop thinking Pop is a derogatory term. Its a descriptor for music that is popular, and usually follows a catchy formula (in Epic Trance's case its something like "build-up/verse/chorus or breakdown/verse/chorus/BIG FUCKING BREAKDOWN/end beats"). If you like Pop music, then say you like Pop music (I like J-Pop for christsake!)

it's all fair & well saying this, but alot of epic just isn't all that poppy. the tougher riff-led peaktime variety is becoming increasingly more overlooked in favour of fluffy middle-of-the road vocal progtrance, not to mention the fact trance as a whole is vastly overlooked in the commercial market when compared to house & 'electro'. surely hed kandi style funky house is the pop music for the EDM crowd if the charts are anything to go by?

for the record i could quite easily list a number of my favourite examples of epic trance & divide them into pop & non-pop without any degree of shame involved

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but don't say that your Pop music has some higher purpose or meaning other than to entertain.

i think petran had this right in saying the same goes for any EDM. sure there are plenty of tracks you can look deeper into, however this is purely at the hands of the listener

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Originally posted by emc^2 I personally don't give two shits about someone's opinion on what I listen to. That's why I stopped frequenting di.fm forums during liveset and same goes for TA section dedicated to that. I don't need to hear 93239 nooblars' opinion that track being played is shit. To butcher-quote Brick Top from "Snatch", "If I throw a dog a bone, I don't want to know if it tastes good or not". The way I look at it is simple - you like the music, great. Don't like it? Don't listen. I hate all this fucking ragging on this on that - simple, cheese or not - you decide. Don't let some idiot who listens to "beep beep screetch scratch crunk dink bleep! boink tsoin swoosh poosh peeeep" and thinks it's great stuff, coz you know - this shite here is dog's bollox, it's "minimal", tell you what's cheese (according to him/her) and what's not. I say to those c*nts - fuck yaaaaaa, you know? Take that minimal shit and massively shove it up your ass, ya fucking elitist shite. I can listen to Ian Van Dahl, Lasgo, DJ Sammy, and whoever the fuck else I like and I don't need anyone to tell me it's shit. On some days I need a dose of 16 Bit Lolitas, some serious Nathan Fake pwnage or filthy dirty house... And on some days I need my helping of vitamins and calcium - e.g. fruity cheese like "Burned with desire". That's just my $0.02, maximally inserted up some massive minimal elitist c*nt's bumhole.

claping my hands out loud!!!!
one more thing if you'll check the toty pool and try to find the tracks somewhere the best place is.... right ASOT
I LOVE ASOT, AND I HATE MINIMAl!

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Originally posted by isoterra it isn't 'supposed' to possess any of those things. sometimes it does, but that's a ridiculous generalisation

That's subjective, but when I think of the term "Epic" being applied to Trance, that is what pops up in my head.

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by not being aimed at the masses? it may come as news to you that people who produce epic trance don't necessarily do it to try & appeal to as wide a crowd as possible & make a name for themselves; they do it because it's the kind of music they like. plenty of the time they're happy enough unloading it onto a small-time digital label, too. if you care enough to dig for it there's loads of barely-heard-of epic trance out there that isn't being played by the likes of armin

Pop music does not have to be on a chart to be Pop music, if that makes any sense. In other words, that Pop formula can be used on a track that isn't being pushed commercially, but that doesn't mean that the track is not Pop just because the album cover doesn't have some random bikini-clad chick on the front, or a commercial for it, or what-have-you.

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it's all fair & well saying this, but alot of epic just isn't all that poppy. the tougher riff-led peaktime variety is becoming increasingly more overlooked in favour of fluffy middle-of-the road vocal progtrance,

Again we're being subjective in sorting our tunes, but I wouldn't call Trance tunes that didn't follow that "Epic" formula Epic Trance.

And I was talking about Pop music in general. The way that the term is knocked around here makes one think that it is TAs "n-bomb"

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not to mention the fact trance as a whole is vastly overlooked in the commercial market when compared to house & 'electro'. surely hed kandi style funky house is the pop music for the EDM crowd if the charts are anything to go by?

According to Rolling Stone charts, the only bit of EDM that is popular is Justice. According to Billboard, Madonna, Tony Moran, and Offer Nissim are top-of-the-pops (here in the US). I'm sure in the UK and elsewhere farty Electro House and "boom-chk" Minimal is all over the place, but its different in the US.

And Trance overlooked in the commercial market?!? All I see when I walk up to the "Dance" section of any Best Buy are Tiesto albums, PVD albums, Armin CDs, and Ultra.Trance comps!

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for the record i could quite easily list a number of my favourite examples of epic trance & divide them into pop & non-pop without any degree of shame involved

I guess my text came off as condescending, or derogatory towards Epic Trance. I like some Epic Trance, and yes, I can list some poppy Deep House and Funky House that I like as well

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i think petran had this right in saying the same goes for any EDM. sure there are plenty of tracks you can look deeper into, however this is purely at the hands of the listener

agreed

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