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Originally posted by Lira How's that good for geese, ganders or anyone at all? Besides, I think all sites scientologists "took down", they did by taking legal action.

the "church" uses whatever powers it has to quell ANY dissent or criticism of its activities. the "church" possesses far more power than your average citizen, so if this is the way average joe fights back, then so be it. im about as concerned for scientology's right to free speech as i am the white supremacist movement.

those organisations that go out of their way to stifle the free expression of others deserve it not for themselves. they have brought this upon themselves, i say "stiff shit".

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN those organisations that go out of their way to stifle the free expression of others deserve it not for themselves. they have brought this upon themselves, i say "stiff shit".

+1

I wonder how the IRL raids are going to turn out...

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Scientology is just as valid a religion as any of the others.

Scientology is just as valid a religion as any of the others.






Scientology is just as valid a religion as any of the others.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN the "church" uses whatever powers it has to quell ANY dissent or criticism of its activities. the "church" possesses far more power than your average citizen, so if this is the way average joe fights back, then so be it. im about as concerned for scientology's right to free speech as i am the white supremacist movement. those organisations that go out of their way to stifle the free expression of others deserve it not for themselves. they have brought this upon themselves, i say "stiff shit".

Attempting to spread your religion in the midst of an utter Xtian hegemony takes drastic measures. How's this - once people start saying "Hubbard Bless You" each and every time somebody sneezes out of nothing but expected social courtesy, the playing field will be flat. Until then, no side is right, ever.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Scientology is just as valid a religion as any of the others. Scientology is just as valid a religion as any of the others. Scientology is just as valid a religion as any of the others.

no its not. i can go to any church i want and "sit in" if i so choose. i dont have to pay for the pleasure of being there. the other churches are also not secretive when it comes to their beliefs/traditions/services etc.

the other churches also dont use retarded devices to tell you that you're sick or spiritually wanting (or whatever that fucking device is meant to do).

while they might be different sides to the same coin, i still reckon theyre worse.

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Attempting to spread your religion in the midst of an utter Xtian hegemony takes drastic measures. How's this - once people start saying "Hubbard Bless You" each and every time somebody sneezes out of nothing but expected social courtesy, the playing field will be flat. Until then, no side is right, ever.

haha.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN no its not. i can go to any church i want and "sit in" if i so choose. i dont have to pay for the pleasure of being there. the other churches are also not secretive when it comes to their beliefs/traditions/services etc. the other churches also dont use retarded devices to tell you that you're sick or spiritually wanting (or whatever that fucking device is meant to do). while they might be different sides to the same coin, i still reckon theyre worse.

Funny, the very concept of an open and inviting social order seems one with nothing to hide, right? Is that the appeal? I just don't see how you can justify their relative validity over Scientology, given that thousands of years worth of [non]development have lead to an utter indoctrination of our social system and infiltration of value system, as well as provided a great deal of writings to control what could very well be a mass form of misdirection. I'm not saying the Xtian church is hiding something. I'm merely asking how you would know that they are not but Scientology is - especially given that almost all pertaining information on Scientology available outside of the church, itself, is controlled by an Xtian media in an Xtian country under an Xtian spell of feigned sanctimony.

Better? Worse? Come now, I was saying that neither is better than the other because they are all part of the same pile.

I expected more from you, pkc. Favouring Christianity and open belief systems. tsk tsk.

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It would be splendid if scientology and anon just destroyed each other.

Anon is you. Anon is me.

Does nobody actually know this?

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Theres a church near by, i should check it out.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Funny, the very concept of an open and inviting social order seems one with nothing to hide, right? Is that the appeal? I just don't see how you can justify their relative validity over Scientology, given that thousands of years worth of [non]development have lead to an utter indoctrination of our social system and infiltration of value system, as well as provided a great deal of writings to control what could very well be a mass form of misdirection.

very true. but i find the manner in which they behave to be fundamentally different (assuming we're talking about one of the "good" churches that dont protest at funerals or bomb mosques).

they are far more transparent, and ask for far less in return. what kind of "religion" (who do the scientologists worship btw?) demands you to pay more money for the chance to "advance" within the "church"?

i suppose the difference for me, is that i still acknowledge the possibility (however unlikely) that there is some kind of deity that created the universe. i do not, for a second, entertain the possibility of anything scientology has to offer.

in other words, yes, scientology is the same as any other church, just worse.

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I'm not saying the Xtian church is hiding something. I'm merely asking how you would know that they are not but Scientology is - especially given that almost all pertaining information on Scientology available outside of the church, itself, is controlled by an Xtian media in an Xtian country under an Xtian spell of feigned sanctimony.

because of how they conduct themselves. i can go to any mass i want and be welcomed by the church. i cannot, without bringing along bags of cash, find out much about scientology. that, in and of itself, sets them apart.

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Better? Worse? Come now, I was saying that neither is better than the other because they are all part of the same pile. I expected more from you, pkc. Favouring Christianity and open belief systems. tsk tsk.

to me they ARE worse. same as militant islam is worse than pacifist buddhism. the structure of the belief system might be one and the same, but a religion (to me) is far more about how it affects the public sphere than just the nonsense that they believe. and a religion as secretive and insanely litigious as scientology obviously has something to hide.

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I hope they get rid of Scientology on the basis that if anyone's going to be ripping off dog-stupid rich people, it should be me and I don't want the competition doing it.

(Besides, they'll feel like a 'real' religion after being vilified, hiding in a sewer to go to church and occasion thrown to a large kitten for its dinner.. it'll be good for them, builds character.)