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Originally posted by yankeeBaby lol I missed the game last night (b-day dinner), but everyone keeps bitching about him. Anyone wanna fill me in on the "disgrace?" (or was he just being his usual self and pissing the opposing fans/team off by being an asshole? lol

He scored a decent goal, but you should've seen what he was doing to Brodeur.

Essentially, he was directly infront of Brodeur facing him, with his back to the puck and play.
He was just standing there waving his arms and stick like a lunatic trying to physically distract him haha...

He wasn't paying attention to the play at all!



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Originally posted by exstasie He scored a decent goal, but you should've seen what he was doing to Brodeur. Essentially, he was directly infront of Brodeur facing him, with his back to the puck and play. He was just standing there waving his arms and stick like a lunatic trying to physically distract him haha... He wasn't paying attention to the play at all!

To tell you the truth I am not 100% against what he was doing....

It is defence's job to get Avery away from the net, and they werent doing that...

Usually when you screen the goalie you, for example, put 50% of your effort into making sure your in front of the goalie and screening him, and then put 50% of your effort into watching the play and trying to tip the puck in

In this case he was just putting 100% effort into screening the goalie and 0% into watchign the play and trying to tip the puck in...

Therefore I dont think the Devils were at that much of a greater disadvantage by Avery doing this as opposed to the traditional way of screening the goalie.... and again, it is the defence's job to stop Avery from doing this.

I am not saying I am supporting Avery, the guy is a jackass!

But I dont think you can just whine about it and say 'he cant do that'... I think he can do that (ie. I dont like it, but I think it is within the rules) but it is the Devil's job to prevent him from doing it.

And again, he is sort of taking him self out of the play by having his back to the puck so he is sorta at a disadvantage there, while doing a 'better' job of screening the goal. so the net effect = 0 IMO

What he did is clearly a misconduct penalty......its obvious he has no respect for other players or the game. I wouldn't feel bad at all if someone chopped his head off....heck suit me up for a game and I will take his head off.....there is no need for a jackass like that to be in hockey.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced What he did is clearly a misconduct penalty......its obvious he has no respect for other players or the game. I wouldn't feel bad at all if someone chopped his head off....heck suit me up for a game and I will take his head off.....there is no need for a jackass like that to be in hockey.

lol, thats taking it a little bit too far... at least for what he did last night

I think during the season he said something to Jason Blake (i think thats his name) on the leafs, about his lukemia.... that I think he should 'have his head chopped off' for

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Originally posted by teufel-man lol, thats taking it a little bit too far... at least for what he did last night I think during the season he said something to Jason Blake (i think thats his name) on the leafs, about his lukemia.... that I think he should 'have his head chopped off' for

dude read the rules. Any kind of classless inciting like that is an immediate 10 minute misconduct. Ron Maclean correctly pointed it out on HNIC. There's nothing wrong with shit talking or getting in the goalie's way, but you can't start waving the stick around like that and deliberately trying to provoke a reaction. Drury came over to him and told him to knock it off.

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Originally posted by teufel-man lol, thats taking it a little bit too far... at least for what he did last night I think during the season he said something to Jason Blake (i think thats his name) on the leafs, about his lukemia.... that I think he should 'have his head chopped off' for

dude read the rules. Any kind of classless inciting like that is an immediate 10 minute misconduct. Ron Maclean correctly pointed it out on HNIC. There's nothing wrong with shit talking or getting in the goalie's way, but you can't start waving the stick around like that and deliberately trying to provoke a reaction. Drury came over to him and told him to knock it off.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 dude read the rules. Any kind of classless inciting like that is an immediate 10 minute misconduct. Ron Maclean correctly pointed it out on HNIC. There's nothing wrong with shit talking or getting in the goalie's way, but you can't start waving the stick around like that and deliberately trying to provoke a reaction. Drury came over to him and told him to knock it off.

I think it is just part of the mental aspect of the game, and again it is the job of the Devil's defence to get him out of the goalies way.... yeah the guy is being a jackass but 'jackassing' happens all the time in hockey in many different ways, they are usually more subtle, ie. shit-talking

Maybe this is crossing the line? it probably is.... but I still think its part of the mental aspect of them game.... sorta like how Alex Rodriguez yelled 'got it' when the jays guy was going to catch the ball.... yeah it is a jackass thing to do, but I still think its part of the mental aspect of the game

BTW I hate Avery just as much as the next guy, but I actually give him some credit for being creative...

but the trouble is that in the "new NHL" (I fucking hate that term), the defencemen CAN'T move or tie up the forwards in front of the net or they get called for interference, clutching and grabbing, etc. In an effort to increase scoring by calling that kind of stuff, the D are often paralysed in front of the net and just have to stand there and wait for a rebound.

What Avery did was fucking hilarious but it went on so long that even his own team mate had to tell him to knock it off and I think he should have got a penalty for it. 10 minute misconduct wouldn't have put his team down but he would have been out of the game.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 but the trouble is that in the "new NHL" (I fucking hate that term), the defencemen CAN'T move or tie up the forwards in front of the net or they get called for interference, clutching and grabbing, etc. In an effort to increase scoring by calling that kind of stuff, the D are often paralysed in front of the net and just have to stand there and wait for a rebound.

Seriously???

Thats news to me! kinda disappointing news...

Obviously if this is the case then the NHL can't allow Avery to do that kind of shit because the Devils basically arent allowed to stop him!

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 dude read the rules. Any kind of classless inciting like that is an immediate 10 minute misconduct. Ron Maclean correctly pointed it out on HNIC. There's nothing wrong with shit talking or getting in the goalie's way, but you can't start waving the stick around like that and deliberately trying to provoke a reaction.

Actually, there WERE no rules about this UNTIL today. The hurricanes GM even said "sean avery did not break any rules.." BUT as of today he WILL be breaking the rules if he chooses to act in the same manner:



NHL amends unsportsmanlike conduct rule in response to Avery's antics
Associated Press

Updated: April 14, 2008, 3:55 PM ET

NEW YORK -- Sean Avery found yet another way to annoy Martin Brodeur -- and forced the NHL to change a rule in his honor.

The Hall of Fame resume of the New Jersey Devils goalie doesn't resonate with Avery, the New York Rangers forward who has turned agitation into an art form. During a five-on-three power play in New Jersey's 4-3 overtime playoff victory Sunday night, Avery planted himself in the crease and faceguarded Brodeur.

Holding his stick upward, Avery waved it side to side to block Brodeur's vision in a newfangled method of screening. Brodeur gave him a whack, but that was hardly a deterrent.

"I've played for 15 years in this league. I've been watching games for 33 years. I had never seen that in my life," Brodeur said. "I don't think that kind of behavior should be done in front of the net, but there is no rule for it."

That was true Sunday, but not Monday. The NHL moved quickly to eliminate this activity by making an on-the-fly rule interpretation.

"An unsportsmanlike conduct minor penalty will be interpreted and applied, effective immediately, to a situation when an offensive player positions himself facing the opposition goaltender and engages in actions such as waving his arms or stick in front of the goaltender's face, for the purpose of improperly interfering with and/or distracting the goaltender as opposed to positioning himself to try to make a play," Colin Campbell, the NHL director of hockey operations, said in a statement.

Avery scored during the advantage in a traditional way, receiving a feed from Scott Gomez and redirecting the puck into the net.

Still, what led to the goal was the pressing issue.

"That's not something that anyone writing the rule book has anticipated, and I don't think that we view that as part of our game," said Carolina Hurricanes general manager Jim Rutherford, an NHL goalie for 13 seasons. "With that being said, Sean Avery didn't do anything to break any rules.

"With every rule that is written or how we try to change the game, somebody gets creative. Sean has gone beyond being a little bit creative on this one," he said.

That is exactly what you get from Avery, a talented player always looking for ways to push the envelope. He rarely stops talking on the ice or the bench, whether it's to opponents, teammates, officials or anyone who will listen.

"I've never seen that before," Pittsburgh Penguins defenseman Ryan Whitney said. "It seemed odd to me. He's not in a position to get a rebound if there is one because his stick is up in the air."

As with most unexpected wrinkles, Rutherford expected the issue to be addressed by GMs before next season. That was before Campbell stepped in.

"To see that for the first time in a playoff game, that seemed to go a little beyond how we would expect the game to be played," Rutherford said. "The defenseman has a responsibility of moving players out from in front of the net, which becomes a little bit harder now with the obstruction and interference rules.

"Clearly it's not up to Marty to defend against that. He is supposed to stop the puck. It's really going to be up to Marty's teammates to offset what he is doing," he said.

The trick for players matched against Avery is to ignore him, but that is easier said than done. Avery has the knack of riling up people to the point they find themselves mouthing off or worse, getting so angered that he draws a penalty from someone who will do almost anything to shut him up.

"He's an idiot," Penguins forward Gary Roberts said.

The 41-year-old Roberts is no stranger to Avery, and his 21 seasons of NHL experience did nothing to help him keep his cool. Back in November, Avery goaded Roberts into a four-minute high-sticking penalty that led to a goal in a Rangers victory.

"A guy like that, they take it a little bit more of an insult after you disrespect them and all they've done for the game and how great they are," Avery said then of Roberts.

Brodeur is no exception. Avery has crashed into him on several occasions, dropped him with shoves and punches and goaded him into trips and swipes. In Game 2 of this series, Avery stood in front of Brodeur long after play headed back up ice. The two jawed, and Brodeur even leaned his head against Avery's helmet during the exchange.

Avery has pestered the Devils in many ways in the best-of-seven series that New York leads 2-1. He has earned multiple power plays and has scored in each of the first three games.

"Here we are trying to sell the game, and stuff like that is going on," Devils forward John Madden said. "I just find it childish and I don't agree with any of it.

"There's not much you can do without taking a penalty or doing something stupid. You've got to ignore him and play on and not let him be a factor in the game," Madden said.

Although Avery isn't speaking to reporters during the series, he has no doubt enjoyed drawing the Devils' attention.

"That's just Sean Avery being Sean Avery," Ottawa Senators forward Chris Neil said. "It's kind of like an instigator. He may not be doing anything, but he is initiating."

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press

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