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Originally posted by jchung52 did they experiment that rod on you in any other ways? a friend of a friend was abducted by similar creatures and had a rod ... well.. violate him

There was definate violations done...I don't even know the full extent of everything that was done. The metal rod in my arm was approximately 8 mm long and was connected to the muscle....the doctors told me there were nerve tissue attached to the rod that isn't normally found in the arm. The doctors believe that the rod serves the same purpose as some of the tagging they do on fish and other animals. It sends information to them about our travelling habits, eating habits and mating habits.

Many people in my support group had similar rods removed from their arms. The doctors still have the rod. They said I could take it home with me but I don't want them knowing where I am anymore.

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Originally posted by love_child

That looks very close to what abducted me except this one seems much taller and the skin colour isn't right. The head is shaped wrong....the head shape didn't narrow as much as that one does...the heads were more shaped like William Shatner's head.

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Originally posted by Orko It is very likely they saw UFO's...which means they have no idea what they saw. You know...Unidentified flying objects. Just because they saw 'something' does not mean they saw alien life in action. I have long believed in life on other planets, but it is absolutely useless for me to be bothered to research and get worked up about it. If there are little green men out there, and the gov is covering it up, how does that change my daily life? It does not. I will worry about them when I am shown proof. Until then, you are wasting effort. Fine some well respected guys said something, but until we see proof, or are shown the impact they could have on us, the average person will not care. It just is not worth their time.

I'm not getting "worked up" about it. I'm just trying to stimulate discusson on an issue that I feel people too readily dismiss, to quote Diginut, as "idiotic". When, really, if you just dig a little, there is a plethora of evidence out there that STRONGLY suggests that a lot of shit is going on in space that we don't understand and aren't being told about anywhere close to the fullest extent.

So let me ask...if you admit they are unidentified flying objects, who exactly are flying them? Do you really think it's the US military up there with secret technology? That would be indicative of the type of major coverup that people so easily dismiss!

Maybe the governments of the world are right at this time. Maybe we, as a collective people, are simply NOT ready to be disclosed as to what's really going on out there. I know we have pride in being human beings, but there really is a shitload wrong in this world.

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Originally posted by Intangible I nominate this for best Digi-rant of the year And when will you kids learn that youtube videos are as credible as wikipedia... Lets add some more speculation to the mix - Old astronaut who misses his 15 minutes of fame.... (Peter, Sasha, Sagar, Mikey, etc... all I can think of is "the aliens are coming from out of the sky")

You can call me stupid all you want, but then I can call you ignorant and narrow minded about the possibility of what is really happening out there.

Actually at times Wikipedia is QUITE accurate if people document their work. Read some articles on various historical people or go read up on marijauna or the environment. It's just a good a source to get some background info as anythign else. Try using it in an essay and that's a different story, but my own professors have admitted to reading Wikipedia to brush up on things.

And just because the videos are posted on youtube means they're fiction? If you actually WATCHED any of the stuff that's been posted, it's official NASA footage. The Mexican footage was shot by military air crews and originally released by their Department of Defence. So the fact that that footage has now ended up on youtube means it's all a crackpot conspiracy? So I suppose all that footage of US military personnel fighting in Iraq is fake too because it's on youtube? Are you that naive?

Yikes.

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Originally posted by love_child

you see, this is exactly the kind of BS "evidence" and pop culture crap that leads a lot of you sheepy people to laugh at the concept of intelligent life outside the Earth.

For any of you hypocritical Catholics out there, what do you make of the Vatican's recent admission that the existence of UFOs in no way contradicts the faith? Why would they even come out and say that in the first place?

Does anybody not remember the British guy who hacked into the NSA files and directly downloaded dozens of images of UFOs and hundreds of files? It pissed the Americans off so much that they're trying to extradite him the last I heard.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 You can call me stupid all you want, but then I can call you ignorant and narrow minded about the possibility of what is really happening out there. Actually at times Wikipedia is QUITE accurate if people document their work. Read some articles on various historical people or go read up on marijauna or the environment. It's just a good a source to get some background info as anythign else. Try using it in an essay and that's a different story, but my own professors have admitted to reading Wikipedia to brush up on things. And just because the videos are posted on youtube means they're fiction? If you actually WATCHED any of the stuff that's been posted, it's official NASA footage. The Mexican footage was shot by military air crews and originally released by their Department of Defence. So the fact that that footage has now ended up on youtube means it's all a crackpot conspiracy? Are you that naive? Yikes.

I never called you stupid
And I never once stated my opinion on what is happening 'out there' so no need to call me ignorant or narrow minded.

I never even said that I thought the video is a fake...

I'm just saying that you should always question information you are presented with.

And I actually thank you for your posts... creeped the hell out of me

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 You can call me stupid all you want, but then I can call you ignorant and narrow minded about the possibility of what is really happening out there.

I don't see in her post where she directly called you stupid, so I think it's a bit out of line for you to be calling her ignorant and narrow minded. As Dima and I both said (and perhaps others, I didn't real all the posts), everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, and just b/c some people may not believe in the possibility of aliens or UFOs....(yes even if "credible" "authoritative" people said so, and have "evidence" to back them up) you should accept that. Fine if you're amazed that people aren't believing what you are, but you have to realize that not everyone will agree with your beliefs.

And to battle your credibility argument....what about the issue of global warming? There are credible and authoritative people arguing both for and against global warming, each with evidence backing up their arguments for the most part. So just b/c your sources are "credible" doesn't mean there aren't other credible sources out there that have evidence to disprove your theories (and I'm not talking about government)

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SIX reasons why UFOs don't exist

1. Debunking the "U.S. Government conspiracy theory"
Just think, for the U.S. government to conspire to keep UFOs and alien knowledge from the general public, there has to be a perfect intergovernmental world conspiracy.

North Korea - hates the U.S. but co-operates with it on UFOs. Cuba - same thing, Old Soviet Union during the cold war- same thing, Many Arab countries - same thing. A lot of countries are in constant conflict all around the world, but when it comes to UFOs they are united even when they are at war. If there is an advantage to exposing the existence of UFOs to irritant their enemies, they won't take it.

Just think UFOs are uniting the world !!!!!

Let's face it, there is no government conspiracy except when it may be useful for the US military to keep the public thinking it's weapons research are UFOs as an extra measure of secrecy in case some of it's citizen's inadvertently spot a secret project.

Just within the past year some European governments have completely disclosed everything they know about UFOs. What kind of evidence did they reveal? Same old testimonial evidence with no real hard core physical evidence.

2. Debunking the "Scientist are 'scared of ridicule' theory"

According to UFO alien theorists, scientist are afraid to admit that UFOs exist because they are afraid of ridicule. But on the other hand, Scientists cheat and lie to gain fame and positions and grants for all kinds of research and investigations. It's a big and well known problem in the scientific community.
So a discovery in UFOs would be a big thing and would make any scientist world famous.....yet virtually all scientists stay away from this. Why? Because they know its pseudo-science (belief system masquerading as science) - and they know that people are very foolish and can believe in anything - not because they are "afraid of ridicule".
Why should any scientist be afraid of ridicule if they can prove that UFOs and aliens exist ?????

3. SETI (the Search for Extraterrestrial Life U.S. government program)

The NASA used to spend millions of dollars to study signals from alien worlds. Why if they have some UFO hotrod parked out in the back of the 'White House' would they have spent all this money?

4. Evidence is only testimonial

The only evidence for the existence of aliens and UFOs for the past 100 years or so is simply people's testimonials. No hard physical evidence has ever shown up. UFO "enthusiasts" claim the government is conspiring to keep it out of our hands.
Yet the U.S. government is a leaky sieve that constantly loses secrets all the time. Other governments also presumably conspire to keep alien knowledge secret. But the U.S. government can't control all these other countries to prevent their UFO secrets from leaking out. Despite the fact that there have been claims of tens of thousands of aliens coming here, there has not been a single instance of an alien physical object falling into the hands of an independent or university lab.

The perfect conspiracy again?

5. 1950s stories

Stories of UFOs and alien spaceships abounded in the 1950s. The Aliens were among us and came from within the Solar system. They were from Venus, Mars and the outer moons of Jupiter and Saturn. The government as usual was conspiring to keep this information from us but the proof that they came from these planets was out there somewhere. There were even a few religions founded by this phenomenon. Then the United States and Russia started sending probes to explore these planets and found them very inhospitable to life, all of a sudden these aliens were quietly moved out of the neighborhood to other star systems. Now all aliens travel faster than light and come from far away.
Of course the "proof" is still out there somewhere just further away, thats all.

6. Radio waves

If there were Aliens and UFOs in other star systems they probably would have been there for thousands of years. That means that any early communication technology like radio waves would be floating around and traveling to other stars for those same thousands and hundreds of years. They should have reached earth by now even before the aliens had, since presumably radio waves communication is usually invented before traveling between the stars. But for some strange reason the alien UFOs have gotten here first ???
We got the UFOs and the aliens first but not their radio waves. As a matter of fact if these aliens can travel faster than light shouldn't these radio waves still be out there ready to be received by our antennas. Unless of course as in item No.5 above the aliens had to be moved out of the near 1000 light year neighborhood and further away, then our UFO "enthusiasts" could simply say the alien's technology is so advanced they simply beat their own radio waves to Earth.

but I do question it. There are a lot of whackos out there who spread misinformation about UFOs and produce fake videos. But the stuff we're looking at here is official footage from government agencies and testimony from people who had claim to have observed or had direct contact with UFOs.

They range from WW2 pilots, pilots in the Korean War, Vietnam War, nuclear silo operators, CIA contractors, lawyers associated with President Jimmy Carter, a Mexican air traffic controller, an FAA chief who personally debriefed Reagan, etc, etc. It just amazes me that such a collection of obviously intelligent, informed and trustworthy people (or else why would they have been in the positions they were in) are so readily dismissed by so many people so quickly.

Since I am an historian, think of it this way. When you watch a documentary about WW2 and very old British, Germans and Americans, for example, discuss the war, we accept their testimony as being based in fact. Testimony based on observance and memory is a fundamental way of gathering information about past events but in this situation, everyone is so quick to ridicule them. The retired FAA guy had the massive report he wrote up on his UFO experience in 1986 in his hand as he testified. His, like hundreds of others, are available to read if you actually look around. Why is everyone so quick to suggest that these people just want their 15 minutes of fame? Not everyone is a greedy, attention-craving looney. And that particular organisation was NOT FOR PROFIT. They stand to lose FAR LESS than the people and industries they are accusing of wanting to keep the existence of ET life secret.

I'm not saying that what they are all saying is proof of aliens (the lady at the 90 minute mark seems a little eccentric), but they should at the very least be given the opportunity to be heard in front of Congress. Yet they have progressed absolutely nowhere at every turn in their goal with the US government.

I've always believed that where there is smoke, there is fire. How anyone can refuse to admit that there is a lot of smoke surrounding this particular issue is beyond me.

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I can only use my own experiences to say they do exist.

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Actually the British government has only recently started to release their documents (and no doubt some of the more sensitive ones will be kept hidden) and the process will not be completed until 2012.

Many developed nations have, at one time or another, conducted official inquiries into the existence of UFOs. Why would they even initiate an expensive endeavour like that if there was no proof or reason to do so in the first place?

Oh and love_child, you are really simplyfing the issue of hard "evidence". It is not "only" found in testimonials. What do you make of the footage that has been posted in this thread? Apparently NASA don't know what to make of it either, since they won't ever comment on anything these days.

What of the radio transmissions from the Mercury, Apollo and space shuttle missions when astronauts reported observing "bogies" in space or being followed. In a shuttle mission from the 1990s, a female astronaut is heard saying they were tracking a UFO and then she her audio was immediately cut off from the broadcast.

There are little hints all over the place if people try to stop being so isolationist and inward looking all the time. There is a whole universe out there.

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