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Originally posted by wolftickets Heard Scooter - Way Up North? B-side of I'm Lonely. This is not your father's Scooter(ie stadium techno/hard dance), they decided to have a change of style to uplifting trance(with wordless vocals) for this one. Check it out .

Wow, I decided to take your word for it, checked it out, and all things considered, its half decent.

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Originally posted by wolftickets This is not your father's Scooter(ie stadium techno/hard dance), they decided to have a change of style to uplifting trance(with wordless vocals) for this one. Check it out .

Hmmmm, actually it is your father's Scooter, because Scooter started with Cosmos, Vallée De Larmes and Rhapsody In E.
Then Hyper Hyper and the rest. But there are some more trance tracks at there B-sides, although I don't know for the last couple of years.
Scooter - Back in time

Cosmos and Rhapsody In E still are much better tracks IMO.

But they alway surprise me with parts in there tracks which sound really nice, like this one at 2:26 (think away the "singing"). The energy they create is impressive, although I don't like the stuff they made for the past couple of years.
Scooter - Habanera

O, it seems they never really stopped making trance tracks:
Scooter - Mesmerized

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Originally posted by Sykonee He doesn't even have a last name anymore. He just goes by Armin now.

that was before man! get yer history straight. one of his few cool tracks are from before 99 and under only "armin" alias. see "virgo" as supported by all the GU-heads. great track

Ferry Corsten may have started the decline of trance, but Armin was the straw that broke the camel's back.

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Originally posted by wolftickets Ferry Corsten may have started the decline of trance, but Armin was the straw that broke the camel's back.

I just think Ferry's style is much different than anything Armin spins or produces for the most part. I don't think he's started a decline, but that's my opinion. I think Armin has played a huge part, especially his radio show. However it's all the producers out there trying to get on his show with their tracks. A lot of people out there I think label trance by ASOT.

I do agree for the most part about trance. I mean just in 2006 I remember liking alot more track than within the past year. Then, in 2004 when I started listening to ASOT, I remember it being much better. Everything does seem more commercialized now.

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The current state of trance sucks, and it has all to do with the internet (Yes, i know all the good thing about promotion, etc.. blabla the internet has to offer)
But the internet has caused people to stop buying CD`s, and stopped buying music in general. (this is a fact)

When the sales decreased to a certain level (and is still decreasing) the digital download area started.
And after not long, people who failed getting signed to their favorite label, suddenly starts up their own label, to distribute their own music.

At this point, there was already a huge breed of amateur producers who had been making music for a while, but hadnt been able to reach up.

Suddenly everyone wanted their own label, and everyone started to sign those who couldnt get their own label.
The Quality of the music wasnt important, it was only digital right ? no risk of loss, only profit to be expected.

100`s of labels, 1000`s of artists and 10000`s of tracks were signed digitally throughout a short period of time.

This has caused the digital download marked completely overflooded with music, that no one has ever heard of, and wont ever find or listen to...
..unless..

..its played in Armin van Buurens show A State Of Trance.

The problem with the trance scene now, is that it is all the TOP 100 DJ`s who decides what is going to sell,
and what is going to be popular, if you release an awesome track, which none of the big DJs are going to play, the track is just gonna slowly fade away in the big masses of digital music.

The marked is too saturated, back in the days there were only like a couple of houndred producers making the music, shaping the sound in their respective genre, building a name and a fanbase.

Back in the days each track used to have a personality, a story to tell, emotion.

Now 90% of all the music released is going to be forgotten after a couple of weeks from its released to never see the light again.

While the last 10% percent is the last majority of GOOD original producers making unique souning records every year, unfortunately 9% of those is the ones getting popular by their generic sound.

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Originally posted by wick Meh.. I've seen these sort of threads since 2003 when I joined. Perhaps it's your taste which has changed and not the genre?

Wouldn't that mean that you no longer like old tracks?

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Originally posted by kr00t0n Wouldn't that mean that you no longer like old tracks?

Ya, I agree, I think people would think of that.

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i kinda agree with subtle on how the digital download thing saturated the market with crap music, but i still think that shouldnt be too much of a problem. It just takes more time to pick the better tracks out of the bunch.

Imho the current state of trance isnt much worse than 8 years ago. I can name many great tracks from the past 2/3 years that i am still listening too and will be listening in 2 or 3 years (probably). There is just a big amount of mediocre and bad tracks around as well, ignore them and pick the good ones. Well, and if you cant find any decent trance tracks anymore, maybe its time to switch genre, get over it, things change over years.

And subtle, what you say about DJ's making tracks popular... thats kinda logical ofcourse. Thats the whole point of a DJ, bringing tracks to the crowd and people, so of course people want their tracks played by armin, tiesto, ferry, a&b... because then people hear your stuff all around the world and you get more known.

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Originally posted by wolftickets Ferry Corsten may have started the decline of trance, but Armin was the straw that broke the camel's back.

If you believe that any one "artist" is the be all or end all for a genre then you're mistaken.

Toootally off topic, but since it's been done a billion times before I don't see the harm.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Hmmmm, actually it is your father's Scooter, because Scooter started with Cosmos, Vallée De Larmes and Rhapsody In E.

http://www.discogs.com/release/9369

D.J. Zki & Dobre / René Et Gaston (René ter Horst & Gaston Steenkist) wrote this. While The Loop! (2 members which are also 2 parts of Scooter) are credited as producers on the Scooter release, they are not credited on the René Et Gaston one. Does anyone know what the story is here?

The track fun, discovered it on Trancemaster 13 back in 98 or something. Wait, TRANCE?

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