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Originally posted by xenpro ok lets put this in dj terms maybe Josh will get it McCain is a Gemini PS121X Mixer Obama is a Pioneer DJM800 Mixer I know you want the DJM1000 but for now its out of stock

um wow, im speechless dude. I think im moving to ableton.

lol ... yeah ableton is the future but trying to get a bunch of waco religious record spinning freaks to change their ways is almost impossible .. step at a time my friend

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen exactly! Thats what i wish R!ch would do, rather then spend time cupping his balls on TA. I just want all the Obama supporters to realise that he isnt that great, and is proposing no change at all. Its just to bad the republicans could not put forth anything worth much more. Vote for Obama because you hate bush, mccain, and jesus..thats fine with me. But dont try to convince me he is the greatest thing since the toaster oven.

i keep hearing people say obama doesn't represent change at all from the last 8 years. frankly whenever i hear this, i tune out the rest of the nonsense this person has to say because they're either using hyperbole for effect or they really are incapable of drawing an accurate comparison between bush and obama policies.

no one said obama is the greatest thing ever, but he is without a doubt a good leader. where my opinion comes in is that i think he's a better leader than any president in my life time - better than both bushes, clinton and reagan, and here's why... he possesses all the traits of a real leader: he's intelligent, compassionate, calm, controlled and poised even in the face of personal attack, he's more concerned about tackling issues than defending his ego from detractors, he can communicate ideas clearly to smart people and dumb people alike, he inspires people, he's a consensus-builder and a uniter with endorsements from liberals and conservatives alike (including chris buckley from the national review), he doesn't pander to fringe groups, and based on his age and background he is more in touch with the real world today than his colleagues in dc.

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Originally posted by R!CH i keep hearing people say obama doesn't represent change at all from the last 8 years. frankly whenever i hear this, i tune out the rest of the nonsense this person has to say because they're either using hyperbole for effect or they really are incapable of drawing an accurate comparison between bush and obama policies. no one said obama is the greatest thing ever, but he is without a doubt a good leader. where my opinion comes in is that i think he's a better leader than any president in my life time - better than both bushes, clinton and reagan, and here's why... he possesses all the traits of a real leader: he's intelligent, compassionate, calm, controlled and poised even in the face of personal attack, he's more concerned about tackling issues than defending his ego from detractors, he can communicate ideas clearly to smart people and dumb people alike, he inspires people, he's a consensus-builder and a uniter with endorsements from liberals and conservatives alike (including chris buckley from the national review), he doesn't pander to fringe groups, and based on his age and background he is more in touch with the real world today than his colleagues in dc.

I most definitely agree. When this election began, I was indifferent to all of the candidates. Through the last 9 months, as I have learned more about Obama and watched the way he has handled the ugliest campaign with class, I have become a supporter.

Just a quick example that has not been mentioned much. During the debate, Obama was asked if Palin was qualified to be the vice-president. Talk about lobbing up the biggest softball ever! I was waiting to watch him hit it out of the park. However, he saw no need to partake in the personal bashing. While it would have been more immediately gratifying to listen to Palin's name get abused, it was ultimately a much better move to not indulge.

Of course, when given the opportunity immediately following Obama, McCain went off on Biden. I felt McCain's true colors showed in a time of crisis for him, and he looked like an unstable individual.

joe plumber, the plot thickens!


Call him Samuel the unlicensed plumber, tax cheat

A couple of things about Joe the Plumber, the icon of the authentic working-class voter who was declared the ''winner" of the final presidential debate.

His first name isn't really Joe. It's Samuel.

He's not really a plumber - at least, not a licensed one.

He's concerned about increased taxes - but hasn't paid his own income taxes.

And, he's not exactly just a guy from Ohio.

He's lived in Arizona ... and Alaska.

And as for that "unscripted" moment that ended up on Fox News, the one at a rally where he questioned Sen. Barack Obama about the American Dream - and whether he'd have to pay higher taxes under Obama's plan?

Seems Joe told the conservative Web site familysecuritymatters.org that catching the Democratic presidential candidate off guard "was actually my intent."

"Looks like there's a crack in Joe the Plumber's story," cracked Bob Mulholland, the Democratic party activist and adviser, after some of the details of the life of 34-year-old Samuel J. Wurzelbacher, a.k.a. Joe the Plumber, emerged today.

In an election that has starred all sorts of celebrities - remember Paris Hilton? Britney Spears? - Wurzelbacher got his 15 minutes of fame after being referenced 26 times during Wednesday's presidential debate, 21 times by Sen. John McCain.

Today, McCain even happily declared "Joe the Plumber" to be "the winner" of the debate.

Not so fast.

"Joe the Plumber's story sprang a few leaks Thursday," crowed an Associated Press story.

That's after the AP, bloggers, investigators and librarians - and The Chronicle - turned up court documents and birth records.

For one, Joe's expressed concern about paying more taxes looked a bit tarnished with the revelation that he owes Ohio about $1,200 in personal income taxes that he hasn't paid, according to the Lucas County Court of Common Pleas records. (And there's a 2007 civil filing shows a record for a $1,200 owed to a creditor, St. Charles Mercy Hospital.)

So Joe has an active lien on his property filed in January 2007, records from the Ohio Department of Taxation show.

The Toledo Blade, examining Lucas County Building Inspection records, reported that his employer, the A.W. Newell Corp., "does maintain a state plumbing license, and one with the City of Toledo, but would not be allowed to work in Lucas County outside of Toledo without a county license."

"Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell's license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work," the newspaper said. "He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio - which means he's not a plumber."

What else did Americans learn about average Joe this week?

Among the factoids gleaned from state and county records:

-- He is registered as a Republican, and voted in the state's GOP primary in March, county elections records show. But he was previously registered, dating back to 2007, in the Natural Law Party.

-- He has lived in McCain's home state - in both Mesa and Tucson, Ariz.

-- He lived in GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin's home state - in North Pole, Alaska, from September 1992 to July 1993.

And as comic Bill Maher pointed out, in his 15 minutes of fame, Joe the Plumber has already done more interviews than Palin.

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Originally posted by R!CH i keep hearing people say obama doesn't represent change at all from the last 8 years.

you added "the last 8 years" which was absent from any statement i have made.

He has proposed nothing new that the democrats of the last 40 years have been proposing, outside of the perhaps the largest single tax increase. Raise taxes, spend more of our money, more government regulation, control more of our day to day lives...again, what change rich?

And Jerk, your comparison to palin is obvious, why would he attack somebody with no experience, when he has none of his own. His advisors have advised him to stay away from that battle since day 1.

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Originally posted by xenpro lol ... yeah ableton is the future but trying to get a bunch of waco religious record spinning freaks to change their ways is almost impossible .. step at a time my friend

bro, enough with your dj analogies, they are a complete FAIL



and since you attempted two analogies, they both deserve a FAIL

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Originally posted by xenpro ok lets put this in dj terms maybe Josh will get it McCain is a Gemini PS121X Mixer Obama is a Pioneer DJM800 Mixer I know you want the DJM1000 but for now its out of stock

Obama is going to win this! Not my prime choice but he's better than having that stupid bitch winking at the camera trying to relate to all the steford wives of this country. She reminds me of my damn cheese ball white neighbors, typical gossiping Suzie home makers.

Imagine Mccain drops dead, she's addressing the nation while winking at us all. Oh hell no!

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outside of the perhaps the largest single tax increase

Actually, you're better off under obama's tax plan if you're making less than 250k a year, if you're doing that well dj'ing then hat's off to you.

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Raise taxes

No, he's cutting taxes for 95% of americans.

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more government regulation

... Which would have prevented this financial crisis we're in right now.

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why would he attack somebody with no experience, when he has none of his own. His advisors have advised him to stay away from that battle since day 1.

The reason he doesn't attack her is because she attacks herslef. Plus, the last thing obama needs the day after the debate are headlines reading "obama, the sexist" PLUS he has way too much class to stoop down to her level of idiocracy.

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