This is all about race! How can a moderate republican endorse someone that campaigned in the primaries as the most liberal senator in the senate I respect Collin Powell for the service he has done for this country. I expect better of him, it is truly dissapointing that General Powell is putting race above his beliefs. He prefers to support a far left wing african american instead of a moderate that has the credentials to prove it.

PS: he talks about that Obama can unite all party lines. How can an Obama administration with Pelosi and Reid unite all parties? Please! you got to be kidding me... what obama is going to do is unite the far left.

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Originally posted by Krypton College tuition should be free, so should healthcare.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Just because you can't compute a Republican endorsing Obama doesn't mean it's automatically about race. You bring some evidence to bear to suggest that it is, and I'll listen. Until then all you have are racist suppositions. How would you like it if I suggested that you just like McCain cause he's the only white guy on a major party ticket for President?

My suppositions aren't racist. It's possible to talk about something being racially motivated without yourself being a racist. I'm talking about Powell's alterior motives and trying to save face... true it's not 100% about race, because I think a lot of it is about helping himself. He's not some altruistic person who is endorsing Obama for the betterment of the country; he charges $100K to give a speech for christ's sake. Ask yourself, who benefits from this endorsement (other than Obama if he wins)? He does... he's positioning himself to have a major role in that administration AND restore his level of integrity to levels prior to his WMD speech. This is his path to doing so. But aside from that stuff, the rest has to be about race because, being the "moderate" he is, what other reason could there be for endorsing Obama's policy postions when he is and has been much closer to McCain's policies through his career (unless he was lying the whole time). I think Rush's question made a good point... if it's not about race at all, where is one single inexperienced white liberal candidate he's ever endorsed? 95%+ black people are going to vote for Obama... that's not about race either, even in the slightest? As a black man in power, why wouldn't he endorse Obama?

Powell referred to Obama as a transformational figure, but he didn't specify as to whether the Obama presidency would require him to transform, government to transform, or our lives to transform. But Transformational can be bad too. Transformational simply means we're finally going to get over our days of slavery and a majority of people would elect a black guy president.... because it's not about his policies... they aren't transformational. There's nothing new about them. Why is the Palin situation not transformational? Why is it only Obama? There is an obvious racial component to it, and there's nothing wrong with admitting that.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov I know you think it's condescending to throw that word around, but geez, you don't have to use the profanity.

you're right, you're right... I was fired up from Groundhog Boy's attacks and the F-bomb's came out

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Originally posted by The17sss My suppositions aren't racist. It's possible to talk about something being racially motivated without yourself being a racist. I'm talking about Powell's alterior motives and trying to save face... true it's not 100% about race, because I think a lot of it is about helping himself. He's not some altruistic person who is endorsing Obama for the betterment of the country; he charges $100K to give a speech for christ's sake. Ask yourself, who benefits from this endorsement (other than Obama if he wins)? He does... he's positioning himself to have a major role in that administration AND restore his level of integrity to levels prior to his WMD speech. This is his path to doing so. But aside from that stuff, the rest has to be about race because, being the "moderate" he is, what other reason could there be for endorsing Obama's policy postions when he is and has been much closer to McCain's policies through his career (unless he was lying the whole time). I think Rush's question made a good point... if it's not about race at all, where is one single inexperienced white liberal candidate he's ever endorsed? 95%+ black people are going to vote for Obama... that's not about race either, even in the slightest? As a black man in power, why wouldn't he endorse Obama? Powell referred to Obama as a transformational figure, but he didn't specify as to whether the Obama presidency would require him to transform, government to transform, or our lives to transform. But Transformational can be bad too. Transformational simply means we're finally going to get over our days of slavery and a majority of people would elect a black guy president.... because it's not about his policies... they aren't transformational. There's nothing new about them. Why is the Palin situation not transformational? Why is it only Obama? There is an obvious racial component to it, and there's nothing wrong with admitting that.

Transformational, gasp.

That means... CHANGE?

change isn't always good... it depends on what you want to change TO. I think we need to make some major changes compared to the clusterfuck that Bush created, but not the way Obama wants.

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Originally posted by The17sss change isn't always good... it depends on what you want to change TO. I think we need to make some major changes compared to the clusterfuck that Bush created, but not the way Obama wants.

Memo to you: You are not a good person.

No offense.. and good luck.

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Originally posted by The17sss change isn't always good... it depends on what you want to change TO. I think we need to make some major changes compared to the clusterfuck that Bush created, but not the way Obama wants.

So you're conceding that Obama's policies represent a break from the current administration - just that you don't personally approve of them. So you're conceding that it is possible a moderate Republican (social liberal at that) might not be so at odds with Obama as to see the value in that sort of change.

In any case, if you read the endorsement again, the type of transformative politics that Powell was talking about wasn't policy-based - it was temperamental and judgment-based. He talks about Obama's ability to weigh decisions, remain calm and steady - those traits are important in trying times, and Powell notes that those characteristics are what were lacking in Bush and what led to rash decisions being made about Iraq. If McCain seems more rash than Bush (as Powell seemingly pointed out), how can we trust his decision-making? Obviously the few actual decisions McCain has made this election cycle have been disastrous. Hardly the stuff confidence is built of.

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How do you people feel about Zbigniew Brzezinski?

Here's an interesting article on him.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Briley2/patrick103.htm

Everyone loves an open praiser of Marx.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} How do you people feel about Zbigniew Brzezinski? Here's an interesting article on him. http://www.newswithviews.com/Briley2/patrick103.htm Everyone loves an open praiser of Marx.

From the above article:

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It seems that Obama will “crawl into bed” with any religion to achieve his world government agenda, whether it be with the anti Christian “liberation” theology of the Reverend Wright, the New Age religion of Oprah Winfrey, the pagan environmentalist mother earth religion, or the anti-Christian beliefs of Islam.

This guy is tripping over himself so much to paint Obama as all sorts of evil that he can't even pick something to focus on!

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On February 2, 1979, Brzezinski wrote a memo to Carter falsely claiming that Islamic fundamentalism was not an imminent threat and would not gain prominence in the Middle East. Brzezinski was the architect of the formation of US CIA and Saudi training and funding for the Afghan mujaheddin network, some of which would later form the Taliban and would shelter Al Qaeda terrorists camps. Brzezinski, along with Clinton’s NSC advisor Anthony Lake, John McCain, Bob Dole and Newt Gingrich, was a proponent of using the Saudis and CIA to directly fund the AlQaeda and Iranian arming and training in and outside the US of Islamic terrrorists from Albania, Kosvo and Bosnia to kick out the Serbs and Croats. Some of these same terrorists became the 9/11 hijackers protected at OU by Boren and in California by Saudi governent royal benefactors..

Sounds like a stand up guy!

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Sounds like a stand up guy!

Sounds like sound research!

Name one US official against arming the mujahadeen in Afghanistan during the eighties and I'll give you a cookie.

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