if you are going to compare a djm to a state of the art analog system that is among the best of the world, you really should stop talking

It really is not hard to stay out of the red is you are not a total hack, even on the sub par djm.

edit: sorry i think i misunderstood, the beast is in the systemsbyshorty link posted above:P

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I think the comparison was a Djm vs an Allen and Heath, not much difference, if any, when you consider all things that go into a mixer, not just the characteristics of the sound it pumps out.
I agree that running a mixer in the red is easily avoidable..It's common sense lol its the fact that so many "pros" are doing it that is sad. Although the newer Djm's have helped solve the problem by adjusting the led meters so that 0dB is closer to the top so even if run in the red it wont be as bad as before.

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Last edited by Wayne_B on May-16-2009 at 17:42

the problem with so many pros is that they know how to produce, but really can't dj very well. It is one thing to make a clean tracks through envelopes, eqing over and over until it is perfect, quite another thing to apply this in a live setting.

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Originally posted by elFreak the problem with so many pros is that they know how to produce, but really can't dj very well. It is one thing to make a clean tracks through envelopes, eqing over and over until it is perfect, quite another thing to apply this in a live setting.

I have to partially disagree with you on this one.. Most of the Producers I follow can mix extremely well.And I feel that having a background in production can only help ones djing skills.
I think the issue starts with whoever sets up the system.. Do I set it up correctly and risk having someone blow the speakers or do i max everything out so the dj wont screw up?

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Originally posted by zizack check out the pic from Love's booth. Thats 1 Urei rotary with seperate horizontal EQ kills for each mixer channel...plus another Urei rotary mixer to control an entire rack of effects units. Best DJ equipment setup I have ever played on / seen. Here is another pic of the setup. (CDJs are front and center now)

mental monitors what are they?

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Originally posted by Wayne_B I have to partially disagree with you on this one.. Most of the Producers I follow can mix extremely well.And I feel that having a background in production can only help ones djing skills. I think the issue starts with whoever sets up the system.. Do I set it up correctly and risk having someone blow the speakers or do i max everything out so the dj wont screw up?

i have seen enough producers dj below the skill level of a bedroom dj to disagree. ANd by enough, i mean most of them

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Originally posted by palm mental monitors what are they?

"How to destroy your hearing in 1 great evening."

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Originally posted by Wayne_B The Xone is more forgiving with volume control and I tend to mix more with the eqs.. the Djm requires careful volume control or your mixes can get very cluttered.

That's because the DJM colors the sound far more and therefore you have a greater likelihood of frequency concentration and ulitmately a slightly muddy mix.

In fact that's what I feel the do - they might sound punchy but they are not "clean" IMO.

The other point is that it's not just about sounding bad when redlined; They have a lower sound to noise ratio than mixers that cost that much and therefore less headroom, which I feel is a large contributing factor to why they sound so bad when redlined.

In fairness, they don't sound bad - I'm being fussy - I just think they sound crap in relation to how much they cost, especially when compared to a far cheaper allen & heath or vestax.

If you take a A&H, rodec, vestax, formula sound, rane, etc. and put it up against a DJM 800 at the same price point the DJM will be loser in terms of sound quality against all those models.

Are they fun to play on? yes. Are they well laid out? yes, Easy to use? yes.

But at that money, and if the point is to reproduce sound on a very large system where imperfections are amplified as well, I don't think they perform well.

Fair enough but it should be noted that the newer Djms carry out their mixing in a 24bit /96k digital environment so headroom isn't gonna be a problem there. As for vestax.. I've played on a pcv275 and they are really awful so there goes your quality for a lower price story.. sorry

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Originally posted by Wayne_B Fair enough but it should be noted that the newer Djms carry out their mixing in a 24bit /96k digital environment so headroom isn't gonna be a problem there. As for vestax.. I've played on a pcv275 and they are really awful so there goes your quality for a lower price story.. sorry

I loved my PCV 275.. It was cheap enough (£280 iirc) had 3 channels, kills for highs mids and lows on channels 1 and 3. Layout was amazing.

Granted the quality wasn't up there like my 92 now (obviously) but the price reflected this

I might actually hook that thing up again soon for old times sake.

Though i should really sell it as it's just lying in a box since i bought my 92 and is in great condition.

Wish I had a 92 my friend changed the leds in his pcv275 to really bright blue ones! lol you should have seen it pulsing away lol, almost blinding

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