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Originally posted by whupassbeer because as everyone knows bpm keeps changing throughout the track, that's why even if you have two tracks at 128 bpm synced on two cdjs, the beats will go off.

Very few of my tracks do that, mostly, as Matthias said, the older ones produced on loosely synced hardware and stuff.

I would also put it on the order of 2% of the music I get has noticeable drift. Most tracks I can warp in ableton in about 10 seconds.

I would suggest buying music via reputable sources, and avoiding vinyl rips and vbr mp3s.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Clovis Very few of my tracks do that, mostly, as Matthias said, the older ones produced on loosely synced hardware and stuff. I would also put it on the order of 2% of the music I get has noticeable drift. Most tracks I can warp in ableton in about 10 seconds. I would suggest buying music via reputable sources, and avoiding vinyl rips and vbr mp3s.

don't know why i didn't think of that. stop getting bootlegged shit and buy your stuff from beatport. problem solved.

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Originally posted by Mr. Mystery Good grief, lads. Good fucking grief.

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Originally posted by Quadlow actually your wrong. about 98.8% of tracks produced today are the same exact beat the entire way through. the reason you have to adjust the markers is because its virtually impossible to put them in the perfect place, so eventually it will be behind or in front of the beat. everyone doesn't know that bpm's change throughout a track because this isn't 1994 anymore. people mostly use software programs, the only reason a track would have a varying bpm is if it was on purpose, which almost is never done, or it was done on old hardware. so .. you really have no idea what your talking about. sorry.

right, so basically you still have to manually adjust the markers, which is what i said.

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Originally posted by Clovis Very few of my tracks do that, mostly, as Matthias said, the older ones produced on loosely synced hardware and stuff. I would also put it on the order of 2% of the music I get has noticeable drift. Most tracks I can warp in ableton in about 10 seconds. I would suggest buying music via reputable sources, and avoiding vinyl rips and vbr mp3s.

i get my music from beatport, totally legit and i still have noticed lots of drifting, especially on trancier stuff more, or anything that has a faster bpm.

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Originally posted by whupassbeer everyone knows bpm keeps changing throughout the track, you actually have to go through each and every track and mark the beats, so that when ableton does sync them it keeps doing it as the bpm changes.

while you did say that you have to change the warp markers, you also said its because the bmp changes. now your saying it drifts.

for the second time: the bpm does not change. drifting, in the real case is that the track, that you didn't cue or warp mark perfectly is now slowly or quickly coming out of beat with the other track.

the only reason you have to adjust on a CDJ is because its basically impossible to hit the play button exactly on beat, so even if you have them perfectly beat matched (considering pitch +/- that is also impossible) its not going to matter.

faster tracks, you will see it more apparent since the track with have more bars in a given amount of time, meaning its even harder.

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Originally posted by Quadlow while you did say that you have to change the warp markers, you also said its because the bmp changes. now your saying it drifts. for the second time: the bpm does not change. drifting, in the real case is that the track, that you didn't cue or warp mark perfectly is now slowly or quickly coming out of beat with the other track. the only reason you have to adjust on a CDJ is because its basically impossible to hit the play button exactly on beat, so even if you have them perfectly beat matched (considering pitch +/- that is also impossible) its not going to matter. faster tracks, you will see it more apparent since the track with have more bars in a given amount of time, meaning its even harder.

okay man sorry for getting the wrong idea across, i apologize, but you get what i mean, so what i'm just trying to say is that it's not as easy as just pushing the warp button on ableton to mix, that's all.

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Originally posted by whupassbeer okay man sorry for getting the wrong idea across, i apologize, but you get what i mean, so what i'm just trying to say is that it's not as easy as just pushing the warp button on ableton to mix, that's all.

that would be correct. but, it also only takes about 15 seconds a song, if that to place warp markers and get a song ready to mix. i would say, in theory it is quicker for the average person to get a track ready in ableton that doesn't have markers set then it is to beat match on cdj's.

with that, i don't see any reason why a person would ever dj using ableton without already having them set.

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Originally posted by Quadlow that would be correct. but, it also only takes about 15 seconds a song, if that to place warp markers and get a song ready to mix. i would say, in theory it is quicker for the average person to get a track ready in ableton that doesn't have markers set then it is to beat match on cdj's. with that, i don't see any reason why a person would ever dj using ableton without already having them set.

well yes, 15 seconds, but it's really not that hard to beatmatch either, maybe not 15 seconds, but it could be close.

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