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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles How is that a counterexample? The same principle applies within jazz: the form most popular for dancing (swing) is also the most musically simple. Most people just don't like to dance to shifting time signatures or oddly phrased melodies.

Well maybe it's just me then. Barring ballads of course, I find any jazz more dancable than most EDM, and I find that rythmic complexity augments that.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Complexity may play a role but now that i think of it its not as important as i first thought. Most important are the combinations of ideas used. The same occurs in all art actually.

So even the oldest hardcore, happy hardcore, german rave/techno tracks could be intelligent and at the moment these ideas are getting copied and sound much alike the 'originals', in genaral they cannot be seen as intelligent anymore. But new combinations or using new sounds can make a track intelligent again.
Other tracks are not using different sounds, but are intelligent because of a certain melody.

Yes, intelligent can be explained in many ways I guess.

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Originally posted by digitalEyes Lawrence - Along the Wire (Superpitcher Remix) For some reason I'm picking another "surreal" type of tune, but I love the relentless melody and the eerie pads in the background that almost define the tune's "feel" more than the melody does. Even with that said, the melody is really dynamic and you couldn't repeat it in your head if you tried, which keeps it from ever getting 'boring' and 'predictable.' Just a fascinating tune in all regards and Superpitcher really "got it right" with this one.

Absolutely they did.

Digital Eyes:

Try to wrap your brain around the bongos in last 1/3 of this track.

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They are never the same its really unbelievable.

Seems like more shit talking than people listing tracks. Everybody is on a debate team these days

1. Woob - 11:94 <-- The Best Ambient CD every made and if anyone wants to debate me on it. Try and buy a copy from CDNOW.com or eBay or Gemm.com I paid $150.00 for my copy and it was worth every penny. If something is considered by all global that this is the price standard give or take the condition of CD , etc..then how can everyone be wrong. lol

2. The Tear Garden - The Last Man To Fly CD - considered by me to be the newer age Dark Side Of The Moon. (Industrial/Ambient)

Now to "EDM"

3. Mind Markers (a.k.a Phynn) Static/Alive Again Vinyl both tracks awesome. (Progressive)

4. Menno de Jong (Guanxi (Original Mix) <--this will prolly fit in the catchy melody debate but I dig that song everytime I hear it.(TRANCE)

5. Dr. Kucho - Nosferatu (Tribal) It's the violins for me

6. In The Nursery - Duality CD (Ambient/Industrial)

that's all i can share now

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Last edited by ModernNosferatu on Dec-18-2008 at 05:51

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Most dance music is incredibly simple in musical terms, even simpler than a lot of pop. For the most part, when it stops being simple it also stops being dancey, as with a lot of IDM. Some kinds of dance music are more complex than others, and certainly the production process for dance tracks can be more complicated than for almost any other kind of music -- but the end musical result is almost always very simple.

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Originally posted by ModernNosferatu 1. Woob - 11:94 <-- The Best Ambient CD every made and if anyone wants to debate me on it. Try and buy a copy from CDNOW.com or eBay or Gemm.com I paid $150.00 for my copy and it was worth every penny. If something is considered by all global that this is the price standard give or take the condition of CD , etc..then how can everyone be wrong. lol

meh, it's good but not nearly as good as saw ii or thursday afternoon. the reason it snags 3-digit values has more to do with the label's demise and its status as a rarity than its overall quality. even their utter shit releases (e.g. this) have been seen going for extra bucks on ebay and the like before, so that really doesn't mean much. it is a fine release though.

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Originally posted by Noisician + 1010101010101010101010 meh, it's good but not nearly as good as saw ii or thursday afternoon. the reason it snags 3-digit values has more to do with the label's demise and its status as a rarity than its overall quality. even their utter shit releases (e.g. this) have been seen going for extra bucks on ebay and the like before, so that really doesn't mean much. it is a fine release though.

Well I agree with the label demise as far as why the price is high EMT was great back then but it's just my opinion that it's the best Ambient CD every made. I love the odd samples and earth like tones. Some of it makes me feel like I'm at a bench in
Venus, Italy with streets full of water feeding pigeons

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Originally posted by ModernNosferatu Well I agree with the label demise as far as why the price is high EMT was great back then but it's just my opinion that it's the best Ambient CD every made. I love the odd samples and earth like tones. Some of it makes me feel like I'm at a bench in Venus, Italy with streets full of water feeding pigeons

i am fond of it too (especially the "strange air"). it's such a shame his second offering is so much weaker in comparison.

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Originally posted by Noisician i am fond of it too (especially the "strange air"). it's such a shame his second offering is so much weaker in comparison.

I enJoy but not too fond of 44:95

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I like the voice samples on Odoona but Strange Air is great

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Originally posted by ModernNosferatu I like the voice samples on Odoona but Strange Air is great

i see. well if you enjoy 1194 so much, you may also like busso de la lune's around borderline. they are very similar in mood.

some excerpts here:

http://www.requiem.serpent.pl/busso...borderline.html

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