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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby New trance no longer fucks with my head and thats why it sucks.

Haha. Three cheers for head-fuck music!

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Originally posted by PETRAN They weren't but trance was always about the melodic riffs, the arpeggios and the gated strings mate. Not super-saws but saw riffs or whatever. The fact that there is a difference says nothing in terms of quality other than the fact that for some reason or the other you prefer the early-90s sound. Quality is a very vague and subjective term. One Music nerd (like...me!) could say that early 90s trance had some "pioneering" ideas and hence has the highest quality by default, by any trance that followed. But then again if you don't include the idea of "novelty of sound", early 90s trance was very poor musically. And anyway, trance was actually "trance" (the hypnotic repeatetive sound) only during its elder German days. For the most part, trance was always about the melodies and hence was more commercial. Even Jam and Spoon and Paul Van Dyk in 93 were demonstrating a more melodic, theme-driven commercial sound.

I think the overall quality in the case of trance music should be judged by how effective it is in performing it's designated function... which is, putting people into a state of trance. The repetitiveness factor plays a major role here and this gives the early trance music an edge over today's pseudo-trance garbage.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles There really is a difference in sound between the early German trance and today's mainstream stuff. There was a lot more acid, spacey high-resonance sounds, and repetitiveness back then, and more diversity in song structure. So I can see the merit in people saying that "the music changed" if they're talking about the jump from '93 to today or something.

This.

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Originally posted by nefardec I think matured taste can be described as 'diversified' taste and that comes from experiencing a wider range of subtler emotions in life. trance music has become unicorn music - it concerns itself with inane juvenile desires, like buxom eurotrash babes in glass showers, sophomoric infatuation. there is this whole perverse mythology about being yourself and being an individual by pumping your arms at the same time as 1000 guidos in a sweaty arena and then asking some loser fuck who happened to be in the right place at the right time to sign a soggy flier trance music generally is the musical equivalent of insecure teenagers talking about the matrix until 5 am the whole thing these days is rotten, it's all just a big laser show - a glimmering, sparkling, shiny toy that makes kids feel secure about themselves by substantiating inane kiddie unicorn dreams en masse you can compare this type of music to a pretty figural picture. not in the least abstracted or emotionally deep or diverse. it is what it is. someone makes a track with seagulls in it and then calls it "ocean breeze" now granted i am generalizing, because there are still hypnotic trance tracks out there and tracks with musical and emotional content. but i think it's pretty widely accepted that for the most part it's tripe

A person's EDM preference can be linked to the complexity of their emotional capacity/experience/requirements... Something along those lines, is that what you're saying?

You know whats a sick bit of trance and gave me that head fuck?

Go to about 4:35 into Tilt - Rendezvous (Quadrophonic Mix) and that break with the fucking weird ass voices and shit and then it comes back in with the stripped down beat and bass with that spacey pad.

Fucked with my head the first time I heard that. Thats good trance.

Oh and Gamemaster, the vocals in that, cheesy as fuck, but they are completly random ass shit. It was like "who the fuck cares if it makes sense, this is fucking wacky lets do it!"

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Originally posted by Chimney Later on today, at least 3 uplifting tracks will be released.

Yeah, techno and house ones as well

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Originally posted by saluyamo Eye Q, Suck me plasma, Dragonfly + dozens of other now closed labels say otherwise. There are always shitty songs, there was in 1989 there will be in 2089. Because we have to hear the songs when they first released? hmm. I'd be stuffed to know how I'm going to listen to Mozart from now on.

No, but you didn't experience any of it and you've only been exposed to the hits of the old. You're 19. I barely experienced it. I mean how many live events have you even been to?

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Originally posted by creon444 I think the overall quality in the case of trance music should be judged by how effective it is in performing it's designated function... which is, putting people into a state of trance. The repetitiveness factor plays a major role here and this gives the early trance music an edge over today's pseudo-trance garbage.

Eh ok so i guess its just about the Harthouse stuff then. Because even Eye-Q had more melodic releases in 93-94. Trance for the most part was always about the melody mate.

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Originally posted by nefardec I think matured taste can be described as 'diversified' taste and that comes from experiencing a wider range of subtler emotions in life. trance music has become unicorn music - it concerns itself with inane juvenile desires, like buxom eurotrash babes in glass showers, sophomoric infatuation. there is this whole perverse mythology about being yourself and being an individual by pumping your arms at the same time as 1000 guidos in a sweaty arena and then asking some loser fuck who happened to be in the right place at the right time to sign a soggy flier trance music generally is the musical equivalent of insecure teenagers talking about the matrix until 5 am the whole thing these days is rotten, it's all just a big laser show - a glimmering, sparkling, shiny toy that makes kids feel secure about themselves by substantiating inane kiddie unicorn dreams en masse you can compare this type of music to a pretty figural picture. not in the least abstracted or emotionally deep or diverse. it is what it is. someone makes a track with seagulls in it and then calls it "ocean breeze" now granted i am generalizing, because there are still hypnotic trance tracks out there and tracks with musical and emotional content. but i think it's pretty widely accepted that for the most part it's tripe

Yeah problem is that trance was almost ALWAYS ABOUT ALL these things you describe. You just tend to like the early German techno-trance sound with Harthouse and stuff. Pogressive Trance from the mid-90s was about the things you say.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Eh ok so i guess its just about the Harthouse stuff then. Because even Eye-Q had more melodic releases in 93-94. Trance for the most part was always about the melody mate.

I don't think anyone is against melodies as such...

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Originally posted by PETRAN Eh ok so i guess its just about the Harthouse stuff then. Because even Eye-Q had more melodic releases in 93-94. Trance for the most part was always about the melody mate.

For some reason I have that annoying Yoji B track in my head that says "Its all about the Hellhouse Raver Baby" or something like that but now its going "its all about the harthouse raver baby" and its just disturbing...

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I don't think anyone is against melodies as such...

I think so!