meh, no long term studies means no proof-

if you're relying on anecdotal evidence, then
1: is the earth really flat? that's amazing,
2: i know people who have been doing pills for fuckin yonks, and are far older, and far healthier than me

it's all about Discipline, as someone else said in this thread, no doubt drugs aren't Good for you, but essentially nothing is, otherwise we wouldn't die... at least a pill here and there will make you happy for a bit, r/t sitting at home in a smoke free environment munching on some celery until 6pm when you retire to bed to have your 8 1/2 hours sleep...

the media and gov.t (not to being a conspiracy theorist ) loves a scape-goat, as do we all, as paranoid, over-educated and terribly misunderstanding people, and to me that's what drugs are: something to pin anxieties and problems on... alcohol and tobacco are such huge parts of our society that even when we're told how bad they are for us nobody gives a fuck, yet something is illegal and is bad for us... NOOOOOOOOOOO...

the dangers of ecstasy especially (c/f the harder more scary drugs) are usually due to government control of the drug in 2 ways:
1: people get scared or do stupid things because they're uninformed etc
2: if it was legal the mix of the drug would be regulated and there would never be bad shit mixed with the mdma...

ahhh, tuesday boredom

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the way i see it, the perspectives you gain and all the things you learn about yourself and others with (responsible) ecstasy use adds quite a bit to your quality of life overall... enough to outweigh the negative effects it's been accused of (the few that actually might be valid)

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Originally posted by DaRoZa the way i see it, the perspectives you gain and all the things you learn about yourself and others with (responsible) ecstasy use adds quite a bit to your quality of life overall... enough to outweigh the negative effects it's been accused of (the few that actually might be valid)

I'm fairly sure that most ecstasy users would agree with you. As an ex-user, I certainly do. It is, however, the over use that's the problem, and what most people here are discussing in this thread.

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Originally posted by EgosXII meh, no long term studies means no proof- if you're relying on anecdotal evidence, then 1: is the earth really flat? that's amazing, 2: i know people who have been doing pills for fuckin yonks, and are far older, and far healthier than me

Anecdotal evidence implies personal experience, i.e sailing the whole way around the world and deducing that this means it's not flat, as opposed to just theorising.

I too know plenty of veteran pill heads who are outwardly healthy. Look at little closer and you might realise they're not as happy or confident as they seem, or that their memory and concentration aren't what they used to be.

Everyone is different - I agree with you that some people come out the other side of heavy ecstasy usage almost unscathed, but a far greater number are affected in such an insidious, subtle way that they rarely even notice themselves slipping and will happily tell people that their usage has had no ill effects.

A smaller percentage (standard bell curve thing going on here) will be affected quite substantially and find themselves anxious all day, unable to concentrate, and often depressed for no reason. They will no longer be as outgoing socially or as confident as they used to be. Their inner dialogue will increase to a roar every time they're alone.

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Last edited by Domesticated on Feb-10-2009 at 07:56

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Originally posted by DaRoZa the way i see it, the perspectives you gain and all the things you learn about yourself and others with (responsible) ecstasy use adds quite a bit to your quality of life overall... enough to outweigh the negative effects it's been accused of (the few that actually might be valid)

I agree with that. Ecstasy allowed me to socialise a lot more effectively in my early years. The experiences I had while I was under the influence led to me implementing the same conversational strategies whilst sober and realising that everyone has got something to say for themselves if you can worm it out of them.

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Originally posted by Domesticated I agree with that. Ecstasy allowed me to socialise a lot more effectively in my early years. The experiences I had while I was under the influence led to me implementing the same conversational strategies whilst sober and realising that everyone has got something to say for themselves if you can worm it out of them.

what are you, some kind of hippy? we both know people suck and most of the time what they have to say is fucking annoying, pointless or deserved of rape.

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Originally posted by Domesticated A smaller percentage (standard bell curve thing going on here) will be affected quite substantially and find themselves anxious all day, unable to concentrate, and often depressed for no reason.

I was like that for a good six months after I stopped heavy use. Took a couple of years to fully sort itself out, though even now I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't occasionally more 'scattered' than I was when I was younger.

Just getting old? Maybe, or maybe not

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Originally posted by Sushipunk I'm fairly sure that most ecstasy users would agree with you. As an ex-user, I certainly do. It is, however, the over use that's the problem, and what most people here are discussing in this thread.

i didnt learn a thing about myself from taking e other than i liked taking e.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i didnt learn a thing about myself from taking e other than i liked taking e.

Hence, I included the disclaimer "most" when referring to ecstasy users

I always thought you were special though.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN what are you, some kind of hippy? we both know people suck and most of the time what they have to say is fucking annoying, pointless or deserved of rape.

Hey fuck nose, I never said that what they have to say is interesting, engaging or intelligent, only they had something!

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XTC is teh bad.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Hence, I included the disclaimer "most" when referring to ecstasy users I always thought you were special though.

haha. i bet the only thing e taught you was that you liked kissing men.

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Originally posted by Domesticated Hey fuck nose, I never said that what they have to say is interesting, engaging or intelligent, only they had something!

sorry, that's what i thought you meant! you should've said 'everyone has something shitty to say'

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