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Originally posted by ZeeRobot1 If you let wasted youngins get in the way of seeing good music then you really didnt want to see them that bad in the first place.

Funny thing... I would have been all about Armin two years ago, but I didn't consider for a minute going to this show =P

what is the capacity for tabernacle? i know it was very hot, but i had a good time there watching tiesto 3??? years ago. i also think there is something about seeing a tiesto/amin at a large venue

also, i do think some of you are right about the kind of crowds opera draws. at A&B i saw some people i know in vip and in the crowd that i was like "wtf are they doing at this show". i ran into the people a few weeks later and they were like "who was that performing, that was a great night". is this a bad thing or good thing? i dont know becase it sure as hell looks like it is helping the scene in atlanta since we are getting a lot more events in atlanta than just 2 years ago.

to further the point that opera draws a crowd because of the venue, wasnt it just 2 years ago i watched armin play at wetbar with a less than capacity crowd? and i believe half of the crowd that night was wetbar's "normal crowd". granted, armin is now the "#1 dj in the world", which makes a difference.

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Originally posted by ZeeRobot1 *ding ding ding* time for me to chime in on my 2 cents. If you let wasted youngins get in the way of seeing good music then you really didnt want to see them that bad in the first place. supply and demand pimpin.

hear hear! don't let those little bastards ruin YOUR time.

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Originally posted by trancension Lostvision: Ya, your response to my comments is probably the dumbest thing I've ever read. So I guess we're even. Some of you people read things too literal. You're probably going to read the very first part of this comment and then go quote something that is obviously far more stupid. I don't know if it's just the culture and way I raised, but exaggeration and sarcasm are heavy aspects of my life and ways of communicating disdain for something. "Too old for this" isn't literal. I can't believe I have to actually explain myself like I am talking to a 7 year old, but then again, this is the internet; any idiot can log on and let it be known that he is in fact an idiot. "Too old for this" is a cliche comment to represent my disdain for the current EDM scene in Atlanta, specifically of the last couple of years. I've been going to house parties, underground parties and clubs since I was 13 to listen to this music. I've been in an Airplane hangar bay where it was so crowded and so hot, that you were literally stuck to the 8 people surrounding you due to proximity and sweat. And those experiences were still better because at least those 8 people were listening to the music. I don't know. The more I type, the more I guess I do come off as elitist. I don't mean to. Because in the end, I do support people going out and having fun however they can and want. But let's be realistic for you people acting like complete idiots (or maybe you are just complete idiots and don't actually notice this stuff) but the scene at Opera for these "mega DJs" is fucking horrible. If you even try to argue that, you're just being ignorant and you should stop posting here to stir trouble. Open your eyes and look at the actual crowd. A lot of people are listening to the music. Probably 90%. But that 10% that isn't, they really do rain on my parade. They keep walking back and forth from one spot to the other and back again. And do they politely ask me to move? Nope. They forcefully attempt to walk through me and my friends and the dozens of other people who I can tell are actually in the zone listening to the music. As for my "mellodramatic" comment. That was intended to be mellodramatic. Once again, my whole point of posting in this thread is to air my grievances against the scene and specifically Opera. Kind of hard to get my point across without exagerrated, sarcastic mellodrama. "My last show" is probably pretty literal in this instance. I don't know how much respect Liquified has for me, don't really care in the end. They don't necessarily need my business, and I sure as hell don't need their respect. Going to Opera is not fun anymore. Do I love the music I hear? Hell yes. Should my love for the music overpower the dozen little annoyances that come up when attending Opera at these events...I wish it did. But in actuality, it's becoming far more clear that just turning up my computer's speakers and hanging out with my friends at my place will be far more enjoyable. Let me re-iterate, my whole point in this thread is that going to Opera is not fun anymore. I am trying to make a point to Liquified. I sound like a fucking broken record, but god damn, some of ya'll are acting like idiots. I realize it's not easy to pick up on sarcasm or whatever on the internet, but be realistic for a second. "Too old" at 23? "Name a song" to get entrance? Liquified: I don't think spainj had any actual merit or real technique to his theory, once again I think he was just pointing out how he should of expected a large crowd because a lot of page views does correlate to a lot of bought tickets. He probably put about as much thought into his theory as you do in using Opera. Don't take that as an insult. But the fact that you think people support Opera on these surveys is a good sign for Opera is pretty dim. If you found another venue that allowed 18+ and had several bars that was the size of Opera. I'm fairly certain it would be an instant success over that of Opera. Does such a venue exist? It seems less and less likely I guess. Please read this part: I could very well be wrong and in the minority in my disdain for Opera. But Opera really isn't anything special. Allowing 18+ and the fact that you can squeeze twice as many people as the next venue are what attract these DJs' booking agents. I'll gladly eat my words if there is a noticeable dropoff in attendance if you use a place similar to Opera's capacity with 18+ entrance. In the end though, the EDM scene would be better served if we ditched Opera and those Opera attendees who have no interest in the music and are only there because its Opera. Either way, I will be at Markus Schulz with fucking bells on, regardless of where he plays.

Lostvision: Hold up partner...you know thats all ive seen you yapping about in every thread on this forum lately. In the thread about atlanta not having it to bad, this thread, markus's thread for charlotte...running around yapping the same thing in every thread. THATS WHY I RESPONDED...not cause you left a single remark in here and im some asshole dude. It looks a little dumb to me in all fuckin honesty to be thread hopping constantly saying you cant take it its your last show repeatedly. Looks like more of a personal issue of annoyance rather than sarcasm man...and do i understand sarcasm...half the shit i speak is directed in sarcasm buddy-o. So yeah man in the eyes of myself when i see the same statement on repeat everywhere whining about your elitist views towards attendance...yeah im gonna comment. If it was a few comments in a single thread, no i would have shut my fucking mouth and not said shit. Anyways i dont really give a shit whether you support and see your fav acts or not in all honesty. Speaking for myself i go to see the damn djs i love, thats what its about in the end. Sure at bigger djs theres gonna be fans who arent as big of fans as myself and most of you on here. Thats gonna be true with anyone of any music who is at the top. Ive seen the subject touched on about douchebags who dont even like the music showing up...i highly doubt thats true at all. No non edm fan i know will shell out fifty bucks to listen to edm as most non edm lovers despise our music in its entirety. Those people you see are just lesser a fans of this music than we are but none the less they are still fans. They just have much less understanding of this music. Some of you sound like the old NIN fans of the 90s who couldnt take it anymore cause normal dressed people started to show up and enjoy a NIN concert who werent dressed goth. Me myself i will go and see whom i love no matter what. Small venue, small crowd, large venue, large crowd, number 1 dj, a dj no one gives two shits about, 100 percent purist crowd, or a mix up of fans of all levels. I go simply cause i enjoy watching my favs rip a wikid set regardless of circumstance. I can clearly see why some people would have issues with opera besides the argument of everyone there not being purists music lovers...theres a plethora of other reasons against it obviously. I personally didnt have a problem there when ive gone but i can see what most of you mean on other issues. Speaking on you though man...your whole focus wasnt against opera, so i commented. Instead of yeapping about you cant take it...why not yap about fucking rank 1 coming ? Hes a trance legend who will have a 100% purist small crowd to see him. Plenty of room to move and all hardcore fans in attendance. Sounds like what you claim your after if indeed thats the case but i dont think it is. Anyways enough speaking on this.

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I agree with Stew that it was predictable. Part of the reason I decided not to go and spend 50 bucks. I guess some of us just really like djs like Armin. I have never got into Rabbit in the Moon or Crystal Method, so to me, and probably others, it's harder to get into those types of shows. The same goes for many other djs who may not attract a crowd, but if I can't get into the music, it's not worth my time getting out to Atlanta. Some of you guys can walk to the local club which would make it much more likely that I would be at some of these shows. Another reason me and a lot of the trance lovers want some lesser knowns to come is it's more likely a lot of posers won't come.

I don't think it is elitist to wish that only people that know and love the music should go. My opinion is always that concerts and djs should not have random people who just decide to go out. They should know that a majority of the people there want to enjoy the music and not go and just stand around and cause problems for the others. I went to a show once where these kids were literally standing by me and chit chatting while the band was playing. Needless to say I told them to go someplace else if they were going to talk. I was seeing a dj at Opera one time and this guy tried to walk through me, but I looked at him and told him to go around. Sometimes you just need to be tough. I don't think many of the Opera people will actually fight you, but I could be wrong. Yeah, it would be ideal if everyone was nice and gave you room, but it's not realistic.

The bottom line is we know how these shows will turn out and some of us realize that more and more. We want to put up with it because we love the music. Yeah, maybe he was being sarcastic when he said it was his last show, but maybe for the bigger djs it is. Now if they got Tiesto and PVD at a more suitable venue, I might go. I can't speak for anyone, but if a smaller dj came I'm sure we'd be more likely to get out. I guess you guys hit the nail on the head, if you like the dj enough, you will soldier through the bad things. That is true. Thankfully Armin, Tiesto, etc. are not my favorites. Now if Markus ever got that big, I'd probably still go and just put up with it.

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Originally posted by PVDfan07 I agree with Stew that it was predictable. Part of the reason I decided not to go and spend 50 bucks. I guess some of us just really like djs like Armin. I have never got into Rabbit in the Moon or Crystal Method, so to me, and probably others, it's harder to get into those types of shows. The same goes for many other djs who may not attract a crowd, but if I can't get into the music, it's not worth my time getting out to Atlanta. Some of you guys can walk to the local club which would make it much more likely that I would be at some of these shows. Another reason me and a lot of the trance lovers want some lesser knowns to come is it's more likely a lot of posers won't come. I don't think it is elitist to wish that only people that know and love the music should go. My opinion is always that concerts and djs should not have random people who just decide to go out. They should know that a majority of the people there want to enjoy the music and not go and just stand around and cause problems for the others. I went to a show once where these kids were literally standing by me and chit chatting while the band was playing. Needless to say I told them to go someplace else if they were going to talk. I was seeing a dj at Opera one time and this guy tried to walk through me, but I looked at him and told him to go around. Sometimes you just need to be tough. I don't think many of the Opera people will actually fight you, but I could be wrong. Yeah, it would be ideal if everyone was nice and gave you room, but it's not realistic. The bottom line is we know how these shows will turn out and some of us realize that more and more. We want to put up with it because we love the music. Yeah, maybe he was being sarcastic when he said it was his last show, but maybe for the bigger djs it is. Now if they got Tiesto and PVD at a more suitable venue, I might go. I can't speak for anyone, but if a smaller dj came I'm sure we'd be more likely to get out. I guess you guys hit the nail on the head, if you like the dj enough, you will soldier through the bad things. That is true. Thankfully Armin, Tiesto, etc. are not my favorites. Now if Markus ever got that big, I'd probably still go and just put up with it.

Yeah man, well said. I completely understand. You know its just at those shows of armin, tiesto, and such it brings more people out who really do like the music but just arent as big iof fans as us. If you looked in their cd book in their car the only edm cds you would see are indeed armin, tiesto, and maybe benny benassi. Thats about it. Those people love the music the same they simply dont follow it like we do and really understand more of the music and culture. Me, i go to the clubs with a crowd who live and die for this music. Sure i have friends as well who mainly listen to rock but they own a few edm cds and if tiesto comes and they wanna go...by all means i dont think people should judge them cause they arent in the know as we are in here. Speaking on the rude people pushing their way through...youll find them anywhere. The mall, sports games, bars, big clubs, small intimate clubs, they are just part of life....not tiesto shows. I got knocked out of the way at a small intimate venue seeing kazell a few years back. It happens anywhere. In the end though i just try and focus on the music...its why im there in the first place. Thats me though...i tend to look at the positive as much as possible, and when i do see a show im in a zone anyways thats hard for a wandering guido to take me out of.

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Originally posted by Lostvission Speaking on you though man...your whole focus wasnt against opera, so i commented.

No, my whole focus is against Opera and the crowd it attracts for some of these DJs. If you got any other impression, then you misread it.

My thread about Opera/Atlanta not being as bad as say New York was solely in regards to the staff at Opera. I still haven't had a bad experience with the staff at Opera. New York and Miami -- some atrocious stories that could probably let me call the better business bureau.

The crowd at Opera is deplorable though. I can't stand it anymore. And any of you who are going to accuse me of not loving the music enough, that's laughable. The fact that I have kept putting up with these crowds the last two or so years should be evident enough of how much I do love the music. But it really has gotten that bad in my opinion.

Maybe when I graduate and get a job and can move up to VIP and actually be elitist instead of bitter, maybe then I'll return to Opera.

Until then, I don't think I'll be returning to Opera, probably not even for the smaller DJs.

Markus is the one exception though.

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Originally posted by trancension No, my whole focus is against Opera and the crowd it attracts for some of these DJs. If you got any other impression, then you misread it. My thread about Opera/Atlanta not being as bad as say New York was solely in regards to the staff at Opera. I still haven't had a bad experience with the staff at Opera. New York and Miami -- some atrocious stories that could probably let me call the better business bureau. The crowd at Opera is deplorable though. I can't stand it anymore. And any of you who are going to accuse me of not loving the music enough, that's laughable. The fact that I have kept putting up with these crowds the last two or so years should be evident enough of how much I do love the music. But it really has gotten that bad in my opinion. Maybe when I graduate and get a job and can move up to VIP and actually be elitist instead of bitter, maybe then I'll return to Opera. Until then, I don't think I'll be returning to Opera, probably not even for the smaller DJs. Markus is the one exception though.

what about rank 1?

This thread bores me....

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Originally posted by trancension No, my whole focus is against Opera and the crowd it attracts for some of these DJs. If you got any other impression, then you misread it. My thread about Opera/Atlanta not being as bad as say New York was solely in regards to the staff at Opera. I still haven't had a bad experience with the staff at Opera. New York and Miami -- some atrocious stories that could probably let me call the better business bureau. The crowd at Opera is deplorable though. I can't stand it anymore. And any of you who are going to accuse me of not loving the music enough, that's laughable. The fact that I have kept putting up with these crowds the last two or so years should be evident enough of how much I do love the music. But it really has gotten that bad in my opinion. Maybe when I graduate and get a job and can move up to VIP and actually be elitist instead of bitter, maybe then I'll return to Opera. Until then, I don't think I'll be returning to Opera, probably not even for the smaller DJs. Markus is the one exception though.

From what i saw i didnt see you reference opera at all. You were saying terms such as "clubbing" and "the scene" which from my perspective it looked like you were turning your back on the very thing you say you love...which in return i got smart mouth about. If indeed i was wrong i apologize you just werent very clear with yourself the few threads ive reads. Markus is gonna tear that place apart oblivious to operas bullshit. Enjoy.

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I really don't care why people come to events, as long as they aren't physically disturbing me I could care less what their reasons for being there are. Its Opera...I don't like it either, but all of you should know what to expect by now. Bitching about Opera sucking/Armin being crowded is pointless imo.

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