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Originally posted by cronodevir No, Cubase doesn't run on Linux. Cubase isn't your average user program either. :P Though, I'm about to drop Cubase anyways, so who knows.

Yeah there you go. Discussion over.

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Originally posted by Subtle Yeah there you go. Discussion over.

Windows doesn't run Amarok, so windows is bad.

Discussion over. [this is what you just said]

ps Cubase only works on linux if you use the h20 dongle emulator, because cubase uses an obscure dongle technology used by no one else, so there isn't much incentive to implement it into Wine.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Windows doesn't run Amarok, so windows is bad. Discussion over. [this is what you just said]

I have had it with you, you are a total waste of time.

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Originally posted by Subtle I have had it with you, you are a total waste of time.

A waste of time because I decimated your point? Nice.

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Originally posted by cronodevir A waste of time because I decimated your point? Nice.

Because you contradicting yourself all the time, and all you do is argue on and on and on, even if you are proven wrong again and again.

The fact that you are saying that Linux is the shit and does everything Windows can and more, and still you manage to actually:


USE WINDOWS YOURSELF

Says it all.

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Originally posted by Subtle Because you contradicting yourself all the time, and all you do is argue on and on and on, even if you are proven wrong again and again. The fact that you are saying that Linux is the shit and does everything Windows can and more, and still you manage to actually: USE WINDOWS YOURSELF Says it all.

Its a fallacy to say that because I say one thing, but do another, that my statement is wrong. Fail.

I should take a break from this forum for awhile..I start learning how ignorant people are and can do nothing but fight them.

No one has proven my opinion wrong once in this thread.
So why don't you shut the fuck up and go some where, drama queen? We are having a simple discussion about OSes and you come in trying to be a debtor. And you failed at that. No one is debating anything, and this isn't [wasn't] and argument. Learn etiquette before you open your mouth. Always gotta have SOMEONE to fuck up a thread. Just because people are talking and disagreeing on topics doesn't mean a debate is going on. We are discussing our opinions on OS, yeah it went offtopic so? The bit-rate topic isn't any more sane. And no one is forcing their opinion on anyone else.

Well, no more OS talk, lets talk about bit-rates.

32bit-rate is no real different than 16-bit in general. Yes it matters in EDM. Wow, thread is done.

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Originally posted by cronodevir palm: You mention not wanting to switch to linux and stuff, so why are you trying to use mac and logic? Your going to have to learn new stuff with mac also. As for Ubuntu running slow, don't use the PC from 92 then :P

beacuse im not 100% happy with Reason and its limitations, and the other daws ive tried in windows (see cubase, ableton, sonar, reaper) didnt just do it for me, so im hoping that logic will work for me beacuse i need a standard daw that provides good support and knowledge on the internet that has most possible devices included to an affordable price. logic has all that and also provides high quality mixing possibilities so if it works for me I will have all i need there. I would anyway need windows forever beacuse of gaming etc so bootcamp really saved my day here recently, im gonna sell my 1992 QuadCore PC from last year and save for an iMac instead and just be standard. No more special solutions for me, i got enough with my homestereo which is now all DIY lol, pics comming up soon.

Well, Ive not used Logic so I don't know much about it, Reason is pretty darn limited. All I can say is if you want windows, then try cubase or flstudio. I would say ableton also, but from the ableton thread I understand its not the best atm. I mostly support flstudio because its what ive used for years, ive been trying cubase, and i mostly end up pissed off [key editor] and load up flstudio instead.

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eyah ive tried all that and i hated it, im very unpatient. cubase didnt even give me sound lol. Reaper is the best windows app ive tried so far but the plugins is so fucking homemade and ugly and messy. Doesnt inspire me at all. Fruity just gives me ejay assosiations. Ableton seems to be more a DJ or live prog imo and not good at sequencing. Nor the plugins, sounds too minimal lol. So logic it will be, just need time on it and a better comp, as said im on Mac Mini now.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Ubuntu out of the box does everything windows does. Where is this idea of no usability consistency and compatibility?

Are you seriously this much of a blind fanboy? I can tell you are new to Linux, because you remind me of myself, except I was 15 when I went through this stage. Anyone who has been using Linux for a long time knows that it is just about completely useless for anything other than servers and specific applications (eg. embedded systems).

Problems I have with Linux:
1. 99.9% of VSTs are not ported.
2. Microsoft Office formats are not supported (OpenOffice sucks).
3. No semi-decent native DAW.
4. No Photoshop equivalent (GIMP does not compare).
5. Flash plugin performance eats a dick.
6. Hardly any commercial games are ported.
7. Etc.

So, what can we conclude from the above? Even my mum and dad, who have the most basic computer needs, can not use Linux. Their documents for work will come out completely fucked up using OpenOffice and their computer will hang like a mofo just trying to watch a YouTube video. No developer can use Linux, because most of the time they will be coding for Windows. No designer can use Linux because there just aren't any programs available. No gamer can use Linux unless they want to deal with Wine and constant crashing. No producer can use Linux, unless they are prepared to buy a fucktonne of hardware, just for simple things like EQ. Personally, I don't want to buy 10+ hardware EQs.

Who CAN use Linux? A bunch of blind fanboys who have no connection to reality and want to make their life harder, by running everything in a virtual machine or Wine.

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Originally posted by echosystm Are you seriously this much of a blind fanboy? I can tell you are new to Linux, because you remind me of myself, except I was 15 when I went through this stage. Anyone who has been using Linux for a long time knows that it is just about completely useless for anything other than servers and specific applications (eg. embedded systems). Problems I have with Linux: 1. 99.9% of VSTs are not ported. 2. Microsoft Office formats are not supported (OpenOffice sucks). 3. No semi-decent native DAW. 4. No Photoshop equivalent (GIMP does not compare). 5. Flash plugin performance eats a dick. 6. Hardly any commercial games are ported. 7. Etc. So, what can we conclude from the above? Even my mum and dad, who have the most basic computer needs, can not use Linux. Their documents for work will come out completely fucked up using OpenOffice and their computer will hang like a mofo just trying to watch a YouTube video. No developer can use Linux, because most of the time they will be coding for Windows. No designer can use Linux because there just aren't any programs available. No gamer can use Linux unless they want to deal with Wine and constant crashing. No producer can use Linux, unless they are prepared to buy a fucktonne of hardware, just for simple things like EQ. Personally, I don't want to buy 10+ hardware EQs. Who CAN use Linux? A bunch of blind fanboys who have no connection to reality and want to make their life harder, by running everything in a virtual machine or Wine.

Funny, FLStudio with Full VSTi support and Paintshop Pro 9 both run on Ubuntu...out of the box. Your parents should be slapped for using proprietary office software, its their fault they have vendor lock in and are forced to use crappy Ms products. Flash problem? You just made that up. Name a game, and it runs on ubuntu.

You are forgetting Wine , it runs up to direct x 10 compatible games. Without configuration needed. And of course it runs DAW with VSTi support, and programs like paintshop or photoshop. And wine was doing this 4 years ago. There is no need to port shit over when it runs natively on Linux with Wine. Think of wine as simply a library or resource used to enable windows software on linux. And it does just that. Porting is not needed. And there is no :constant crashing"..lol You are just making shit up. These problems don't happen if you know how to use the OS, and its the same in windows. Also, MS Office works with Wine.

The only program that I can think of that people use mainstream that doesn't work in wine is Cubase. Give it a couple months and it will work.

You guys are thinking about Linux 10 years ago. Seriously..problems with Flash? I'm in the ubuntu tech support channel 24/7 ive not heard of problems with flash for atleast 6 years. And even then the problems were with the users computer, not the os or the flash libraries.




OR..you can use windows vista which crashes upon loading a .jpg file 90% of the time.

This discussion is fairly old. Anyone else want to bring it up again? The general idea is, I think most of you are full of shit and don't know/understand linux, or you DO but your just stubborn. And you all likely think i'm full of shit. So now that discussion has been concluded. Its the internet, you guys are wrong, get used to it

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Nice post by echosystm.

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Originally posted by cronodevir I think the issue has nothing to do with compatibility or consistency, it has to do with people being to lazy or unwilling to learn how a computer should work. And if that is the case they shouldn't be using a PC.

Thank you!

You're spot on, and that's why linux only has little potential. People don't use it because they don't know it, because it is different from what they know, because it works differently than what they know, because they don't want to spend time on learning a new OS ot to find new software alternatives for microsoft office etc etc. They want an OS to think for them, it's a given fact. I build web-based applications and usability is by far the most important thing in the end. If it doesn't work like a person expects it to they stay away and I don't get paid. Same with linux, it is not windows so they don't want it. The only advantage linux has is that it is mostly free. But people will gladly pay in order to get what they expect.

Incompatibility, inconsistency and bad usability in one paragraph!

Anyways I'm out, this discussion is retarded(ly offtopic). Good luck with linux. I bet it will only take a couple of months for you to switch back to windows hahaha.

I switched back after 2 days when I tried!

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