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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* Where's the option for recent graduates looking for their first professional job? lol

lol be prepared for countless days spent sending out 25+ resumes a day, and that was back when the economy was strong...

The hardest part of searching for THAT first job after graduation was letting my expectations drop gradually as time went by

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Originally posted by SSSanchez This sense of entitlement is common now. They speak as if they're the source of creativity and ingenuity. Sure they work hard, but with direction, instruction and coordination. The same could be said about any construction worker. The methods, techniques and technologies are pretty mature in these areas (low risk). BTW I am too a SKULE alumnus OT1. Hindsight is always 20/20. The opposite could be true for them in that they could be obsolete (replaced by technology, machine or technique) and his friends in a thriving work environment. It is so small of them to criticize university graduates and thump their chests. If there was more standardization of the qualification, duplication and homogeneity (without organizations and unions/barriers to entry), they would be prone to wage declines. Then what? No chest thumping. It's unfortunate because the work is not unique and if allowed easily outsourced to lower bidders (with the same qualifications).

And I suppose you are the source of creativity and ingenuity? Most engineers in my field, mechanical, don't create anything. They actually use the hard work and creativity of other engineers apply it to the current project. These methods are also quite mature as mechanical systems in construction have not changed all that much in the time that I have been in the field. Kudos to those engineers that design new, more efficient, less labor intensive means of providing the same results, for they have made something, and will be justly rewarded.

I don't criticize those with degrees. I criticize those with degrees who attack my means of making a living and feel I should be paid less. If you think that someone shouldn't be making as much you, look at yourself, and seek the skills that you need in order make more money.

As for easily outsourcing my work to the lowest bidder, I would like to personally thank the Alberta government for easing the foreign worker laws. I worked 12 hour shifts 7 days a week for nearly 4 months in 2007 fixing the more than 300 failed welds by offshore workers.

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Originally posted by Orko How many people have you met, that have done undergrad, and are finishing a masters, and have absolutely no job prospects because they don't have any real world skills? Personally I have met far too many since living in this city.

It's at least equally important--I'd argue that it's a little more important--but at least equally important where you attained your degree as it is merely having a degree. A graduate from McGill is going to have a much easier time finding a position than his or her counterparts from bumble-fuck-Algoma-U. The group of friends I've graduated with and continue to work with certainly didn't go to university just for a piece of paper; we where and are there to network. If you cannot network effectively, you're essentially wasting your time in university.

It's not a coincidence that Canada has the highest rate of university students in the world and the highest rate of unemployment among university students as well. It's nobody fault but the student--if you attend a proper university, network effectively, there is no reason why you shouldn't have employment lined up by the time you graduate.

In any event, my department is doing quite well compared to other publicly funded universities.

p.s. what the hell are you babbling about miketg23? As far as I've read, nobody in this thread has "attacked" the way you make a living.

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Originally posted by legendary_waz That is sorta based on the conversation I had with a friend in regards to how the people that make this world work are getting shafted in terms of pay, while those uneducated are pulling in ridiculous salaries.

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Originally posted by miketg23 ^

He clarified himself three pages ago, as well so did Highroller--nobody is talking about tradesmen being uneducated.

So, again, what the hell are you still babbling about three pages later after everything has been clarified?

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew lol be prepared for countless days spent sending out 25+ resumes a day, and that was back when the economy was strong... The hardest part of searching for THAT first job after graduation was letting my expectations drop gradually as time went by

once you do get that first job, it gets alot easier... boom or recession.

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Originally posted by Porky once you do get that first job, it gets alot easier... boom or recession.

true that!
back in June'08 I was out of the job for 2 weeks.. finding a new job after already working for a year was MUCH easier

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Originally posted by The Highroller Anyway, I'll be entering the workforce with a seemingly recession-proof degree come January. Unemployment will continue to rise far past January, so I am still concerned. Even many of these so-called "recession-proof" professions do take a hit as the economy contracts. We'll see what happens...

Not to rain on your parade, but going into accounting is not recession proof. Sure for experienced and certified CAs, you are going to survive. But for somebody looking to get in, straight out of school, you have the chance of been squeezed out, before you even get your foot in the door.

Thankfully the recession is not as bad here in Canada as it is in other countries. Our bankruptcy, foreclosures and default percentage rates are not nearly the same as the U.S., and so businesses still need people to crunch those numbers and make accurate long term projections.

Since you have already worked hard all this while, I won't bother saying keep your head down, and keep plugging away.

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Originally posted by evil_cookie It's not a coincidence that Canada has the highest rate of university students in the world and the highest rate of unemployment among university students as well. It's nobody fault but the student--if you attend a proper university, network effectively, there is no reason why you shouldn't have employment lined up by the time you graduate.

All the school rep in the world won't help you get a job with a rec and leisure BA. I really do think that graduate problem's stem from being ill prepared due to the field and stream of study, rather than the institution. Good people with quality skills will be found and had, even if they go to a shitty school.

Graham, I didn't know you were going for your CA. Ignore my earlier comment (tho I wouldn't qualify any position in the corporate world as recession proof or even resistant though).

My job here is very secure and I have absolutely no fears (NFPO for a medical profession). We thought originally we would down budget-wise this year and we actually are well over, which is great.

My only fear is next year, when I move to the US. I'm not sure how easy it will be for me to get a job but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

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