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Originally posted by josh4 How could the US be behind it? The protests are primarily being fueled by students and the Internet. Is the CIA fabricating all the YouTube videos and Twitter accounts? I don't dismiss the possibility of outside influence fueling the fire but to me this seems to have started very much on its own from conditions within Iran.

All Iam saying is that lets not dismiss all the possibilities, we all know that the CIA is really good at creating chaos if they choose to. Iam not saying the CIA is all behind this but perhaps they had some influence in all of this.

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Mousavi has been a candidate for some time now. As a former prime minister I don't see how he appeared out of no where. He still favors a nuclear program, all of the candidates do. In fact many in Israel would prefer to keep Ahmadinejad in power for fear that Mousavi would be more difficult to deal with because he will be "nice."

I def agree here, fact is both of these men are more less the same and at the end of the day. They dont really control enything in the country and wont be able to change the Islamic system even if they choose to.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer All Iam saying is that lets not dismiss all the possibilities, we all know that the CIA is really good at creating chaos if they choose to. Iam not saying the CIA is all behind this but perhaps they had some influence in all of this. I def agree here, fact is both of these men are more less the same and at the end of the day. They dont really control enything in the country and wont be able to change the Islamic system even if they choose to.

Agreed. I also wouldn't discount the possibility of Mousavi championing for freedom and if he gains power, becoming no better than Ahmadinejad at delivering that freedom.

In Obama's words:

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This last point is important because there are some who advocate for democracy only when they're out of power; once in power, they are ruthless in suppressing the rights of others. http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press...ersity-6-04-09/

The hypotheticals can be debated later but fact right now this election was a farce and needs to be discounted.

Found this to be very informative: ( a bit long to read but well worth it)

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/c...rent_situation/

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 well, i certainly don't agree with that statement, and i don't agree that george bush took the right approach. as lebez correctly points out, by interfering with the process, the US would be giving fuel to the fundamentalists about the US intervening in internal affairs. the prudent approach is to see how it plays out and then decide what to do.

He had no problem interfering with Israel's situation telling them very sternly to stop building West Bank settlements.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 I found something upon which we agree! I also highly doubt the Iranians voted the way they did because of obama. I'm no expert on Iran, but since my college days i've been hearing about popular unrest among the iranian educated.

while i agree, i still think its plausible to suggest a hardliner would be more popular in iran if the US was still engaged in rampant saber-rattling.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN while i agree, i still think its plausible to suggest a hardliner would be more popular in iran if the US was still engaged in rampant saber-rattling.

not one thing has changed in terms of our Iranian, or the general ME for that matter, foreign policy.

the only thing that has changed is the 50-odd million Sunni, Shia, Christian, ect. now self determining Arabs that surround her.

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Originally posted by Clovis George Packer is a lot smarter than you and far more knowledgeable on middle east politics, so I would listen to him very carefully.

uhhh, George Packer is a playwright and a someone who hadn't studied jack shit in the Middle East prior to a war he hated for all the wrong reasons.

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So appreantly there is a major Soccer match happening there on Wednesday and some feel that if Iran wins this match then there is a good chance that the protests would in all likelihood dwindle off . On the flip side , if Iran lost this match then things could get worse.

Iran takes its soccer very serioulsy,If something takes their minds off the issue, like winning a soccer game, they just might calm down.

Iran is playing Korea for the world cup qualifying match. Soccer believe it or not does play a major role in alot of countries politics so this could turn out to be very interesing.

I could be very wrong about all this however.

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Iran hasn't played soccer properly while under Ahmadinejad. It seems like a major coincidence that Iran was one of the top dogs just before Ahmadinejad, and now look at them.

hardcore trancer, You think like my parents mate. There is a saying in Iran that they blame everything that happens to them on either the British or America. If you trip over and hurt yourself then you blame America. If you get fired, you blame the British.

My parents still believe that the mullahs are a British Monarchy controlled entity.

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Originally posted by Q5echo not one thing has changed in terms of our Iranian, or the general ME for that matter, foreign policy

Policy, yeah you might be right. But discourse and outlook has changed and those things matter more to individuals than the bureaucratic process.

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From Times Online June 17, 2009 More than 100,000 join defiant silent protest in Tehran At least 100,000 demonstrators marched silently through the streets of Tehran tonight in a direct challenge to the authority of Iran's clerical regime. Witnesses said that the protesters, both young and old and many accompanied by children, marched through central Tehran Haft-e Tir square towards Vali Asr square in the heart of the city. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne...icle6522488.ece