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Trance-M
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Yep, he actually didn't do anything, probably also not the singing
And I guess people who worked close to him didn't mean a word of what they said about him.


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I think you guys are getting a little too offended by this.

Jackson made some fantastic music and was a great entertainer who later went to complete shit. He is not a god.

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I think you guys are getting a little too offended by this.

Jackson made some fantastic music and was a great entertainer who later went to complete shit. He is not a god.

Yeah, he's not a god, he didn't revolutionize music, but he didn't do jack shit either. He still put in a lot of work as an artist, and I think that's what some of these people are arguing for.


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Trance-M
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Sure, but how many other ridiculously famous people had a lot of help from sound engineers, producers, choreographers? Michael Jackson still sang and danced and won the hearts of America. You don't have to make all your beats, write all your songs, or choreograph all your moves to still be considered great. Regardless of who helped him out, Michael Jackson was still the star, and rightfully so.



Indeed. In Holland everybody knows that many of the songs of the most successfull and popular Dutch singer Marco Borsato (Italian roots) have been writen by John Ewbank.
Still he won TMF awards since 1996 every year.


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Not really. He wrote less than half of the Thriller LP, for example.



yes the best half (not including the title track). on later albums he wrote the majority of the tracks

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quote:
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Sure, but how many other ridiculously famous people had a lot of help from sound engineers, producers, choreographers?


Personally, I don't equate "ridiculously famous" with "god". Arnold Schwarzenegger won over the American public, but does that make him an acting god? No.

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yes the best half (not including the title track). on later albums he wrote the majority of the tracks


As far as I'm concerned, his later albums were mostly crap. By the time the 90s rolled around he was talked about more for his weird films, creepy live performances with kids hailing him as some sort of messiah and short-lived celebrity marriages than for crap like The Earth Song.

The guy was deeply, deeply flawed, and saying "he was very famous and sold many records" doesn't change that. It's an appeal to popularity, basically.


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I think all the flaws and the weirdness probably added to his cult of personality.
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What makes something an object of fandom? There are some works that attract obsessive fannish behaviour and some that don't -- and this seems to be independent of popularity. To take an example from LucasProduct, both Raiders of the Lost Ark and Star Wars are hugely popular movies, but only the latter has developed a significant fan base. Why? My theory is that for something to attract fans, it must have an aspect of truly monumental badness about it.

Raiders of the Lost Ark is a robust potboiler, tongue-in-cheek, very competently done. I think it's enjoyable, but even among those who don't, it's hard to see the film attracting actual derision. Boredom or irritation, probably, but nothing more. Star Wars, on the other hand.... From one perspective, it's an entertaining space opera, but from a slightly different perspective, an imperceptible twist of the glass, it's laughably awful. Utterly ridiculously bad. And it's this very badness that makes so many people take up arms in its defence.

...It's impossible to imagine a fan of Animal Farm, the Well-Tempered Clavier, or the theory of gravity. Such works can defend themselves. But badness, especially badness of an obvious, monumental variety, inspires devotion. The quality of the work, in the face of such glaring shortcomings, becomes a matter of faith -- and faith is a much stronger bond than mere appreciation. It drives fans together, gives them strength against those who sneer... And so the fan groups of Tolkien, Star Trek, Spider-man, Japanese kiddie-cartoons etc. develop an almost cult-like character.

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Attempting to minimize Michael Jackson's influence on music is laughable.

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Jesus Christ, other people wrote and produced most of his songs. Jackson's success was propped up by a huge number of other people.


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Jesus Christ, other people wrote and produced most of his songs. Jackson's success was propped up by a huge number of other people. Just think about his music videos, which gave him a massive commercial edge. The man could sing and dance very well, but that's it.

He was a well-marketed pop star, and it's stupid to compare him to a band like The Beatles, who sold more records and actually wrote and played their own songs.



there's always that hater that hates MJ just to try and stand out from the rest.

MJ is the greatest musician and dancer ever.

Michael Jackson > Tom Colontonio, add in Carl Cocks


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Fuck SYSTEM-J, you seem butthurt. Were you one of those kids that spent the night at Neverland?


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