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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Everyone who masteres their track is ghost engineering. You didn't do it yourself, yet you took the credit. /thread

There is no creation in mastering. People here don't necessarily get pissed off at mastering engineers it's the people buying music and releasing it under their name (while issuing a non disclosure agreement) that gets to people.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Everyone who masteres their track is ghost engineering. You didn't do it yourself, yet you took the credit. /thread

how is it possible to be wrong in absolutely every post u make?
i have not yet seen one post of you that makes sence or that i agree to lol, how do u do it?
do u just know exactly what I think and post the oposite?

Last edited by djpalm on Aug-19-2009 at 22:05

Obviously some people are not smart enough to spot sarcasm. Yes, its your fault. I shouldn't have to tell you its sarcasm.

People talk about how important mastering is, and how it "defines the song and makes it what it is"..as if its the most important part of the song, more important than any and all creative aspects of the song. Yet the artist almost never does his own mastering. If mastering was indeed that important, it should by definition fall into the catagory being brought up about ghost engineering. The "joke" or sarcasm is meant to make fun of those people [the ones who actually believe mastering is the most important part of the song].

Though, inconsistancy is rampant through this forum, no hard feelings though. :P

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Last edited by sixofour.604 on Aug-19-2009 at 22:16

id knew ud said that lol. i dont think u know yourself if u mean what u write or not, u just write what u know everyone else disagree to and then change opinions after what direction the thread goes. what u actualy think doesnt seem as important as creating a discussion. what a terrible personality lol, wonder how u are in real life.

OT though: mastering is bullocks. Avoid it and just make a proper mixdown yourself instead.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Uhh, if I bought an iPod I wouldn't go around lying and telling people I made it or designed it, which is what the fakers who use uncredited producers do... If you buy a record, you can call it "yours," but you're not going to credit the production to yourself, are you? All the records in a DJ's bag are "his," but they weren't all written by him. It's awfully silly when people parade around the point "music is a business," as if that's news to anyone. Wow, so insightful of you to correct our naive misconceptions here!

About your last paragraph: everything has a price, some people don't seem to understand that people would willingly sell the rights on their own productions to others for a fair price. And if it's no news that music is business and you have nothing against capitalism there wouldn't be anything to argue about. Since you agree with me that music is a business I'd have to conclude our moral/ethic standards differ.

And you didn't reply on this (so I assume there is little room to debate it from your end):

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Companies hiring people for their knowledge because they need it themselves is just te same as the quoted example and common practice which nobody worries about, double standards anyone?

Again it's business, my other comparisons might be off I give you that but worrying about this subject is what I consider naive and a waste of time. I get paid too by doing projects for other companies (not music related) whom put their brand on my work and I have to say, it pays well. Boohoo that they say it is theirs. As long as I get paid I couldn't care less, same for ghost writers. It's common practice in every field to sell complete products and it's rights (which means you're entitled to say it's yours and/or your work). Why would that be any different for music? Please tell me.

Also some people just don't want to stand in the spotlight. Ghostwriting is a good way to earn some $ and keeps you out of focus.

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Last edited by Storyteller on Aug-20-2009 at 00:23

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Originally posted by Storyteller Also some people just don't want to stand in the spotlight. Ghostwriting is a good way to earn some $ and keeps you out of focus.

This is precisely why I don't have a huge problem with the concept myself. Although I do agree that it is a bit disheartening as a fan to find out a big time artist parades around other people's works as their own, I realize that this is just part of the business.

As others have mentioned, this is a common practice all over the music industry. Many artists who have successful careers take up ghost writing simply as a way to supplement their income without having to tour 365 days a year. Make no mistake, successful artists make most of their money from touring, merchandising and licensing, not from album sales. DJ's are no different. An artist who wants to spend less time on the road and more time at home and with their family can make a pretty good living from ghost writing in any genre.

I personally have zero aspiration of becoming a globe-trotting, world-class DJ at my age. Besides the fact that I despise the idea of being on the road 300 days out of the year (and I'm afraid to fly), I'm perfectly happy sitting in my suburban house, writing and producing music. If someone wants to pay me to write music for them, I'll be happy to accept their money and keep my mouth shut.

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Originally posted by Storyteller Since you agree with me that music is a business I'd have to conclude our moral/ethic standards differ.

It's not about what I think is "moral." If someone wants to pay someone else to do a track and then tell other people he produced it, fine. But I'm just as free to call that person a liar and a weasel.

I understand, but do not agree . To each his own hehe.

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Never had a problem with ghost writing myself.


In fact if I was serious about getting into production on a professional level I would pursue a career in ghost writing. Not in respect of the typical producer role where the artist gives his input and ideas but writing the track completely from the ground up.

And that said I wouldn’t want to be credited on the record at all and remain completely anonymous perhaps only known to a few people involved in the industry and not to fans at all.

I would also love to write (this is a dream not a plan by the way) for a commercial trance group fronted by someone else such as the Ian Van Dahl, Lasgo ect – (BAN ME NOW!)


I realise this is not everyone’s ideal way of working but I’m not interested in fame / travelling at all. I remain very much a business minded individual and I’m interested in making a return.

The real problem I have is that I don’t have an interest in the actual production at all really. I enjoy writing songs and awesome melodies and I’ve got to a point where I can do this very well but what’s the point in learning this when in theory I could hire an engineer to do a better job than I ever could.


Where do you guys stand on an engineering viewpoint? For example you don’t write the track but you do the work get paid but not credited?

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Originally posted by Jason_R Where do you guys stand on an engineering viewpoint? For example you don’t write the track but you do the work get paid but not credited?

You'd need to define where the line is - has all the production/ creative work been done - all the transitions/ breakdowns/ FX in place, then an engineer comes in to deal with the more technical aspects - fine tuning EQ, compression, reverb, delay and so on?

Or do you mean the "artist" comes up with the main melody and progression, then the "engineer" does a remix?

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Originally posted by derail You'd need to define where the line is - has all the production/ creative work been done - all the transitions/ breakdowns/ FX in place, then an engineer comes in to deal with the more technical aspects - fine tuning EQ, compression, reverb, delay and so on?

Exacly this

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that Jason_R and I'd be surprised if anybody else disagreed. There is a difference (a big one) between composition and engineering. They are two completely separate entities although the rush of bedroom producers has somewhat blurred this reality amongst new producers.