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Originally posted by Fledz Thanks for proving my point. I don't need to. It's well established that BP is the market leader. You're the one that's stirring the pot without any evidence to back it up.

Well established?

It's well established that Jesus walked the earth, and it is the biggest and most powerful religion ever. There is no way it could not be true.

Don't believe me?

Here, [email protected]

Email him and ask them for BP's balance sheet. I'm sure he's more than willing to give it out.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Works both ways then if you want to play that game. Prove me wrong.

Come on, you're going to have to do better than that. You have stated that Beatport is not the market leader but in fact Juno is No 1.

This goes against the common belief by EVERYONE that Beatport has a large majority of the market. All you have posted to prove otherwise is a site listing number of visitors. This in itself doesnt prove anything and incidentally, I used the site and Beatport came out on top anyway unless I did something wrong.

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Dont mean to be offensive, but it sounds as if you are jealous because your label is not releasing through beatport? Thus saying it doesn't matter as juno etc are better?

From your own findings Beatport had 39,000 unique visitors last month

junodownload only had only 17,000

Beatport had more than double the unique visitors, potentially doubling sales. That is not to mention beatport have a hell of a lot more hits that arn't unique visits! Your findings are completely flawed!

Overall visits to Junodownload last month 19,860

Overall visits to Beatport last month 77,991

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Originally posted by xphonix Dont mean to be offensive, but it sounds as if you are jealous because your label is not releasing through beatport? Thus saying it doesn't matter as juno etc are better? From your own findings Beatport had 39,000 unique visitors last month junodownload only had only 17,000 Beatport had more than double the unique visitors, potentially doubling sales. That is not to mention beatport have a hell of a lot more hits that arn't unique visits! Your findings are completely flawed! Overall visits to Junodownload last month 19,860 Overall visits to Beatport last month 77,991

No offense taken. I can see how somebody might believe that. Has nothing to do with it. Not having Beatport as a distributor has actually been good because it has forced me to learn about other distributors, etc. (It's been a blessing in disguise), and it's only a matter of time until Beatport is added to the distributor list. I have no interest in defaming them. They're a good distributor.

Going back to compete, you need to understand more about Juno before simply punching things in. Perhaps I should have done more than just post a few links. Let me break it down for you.

First, Juno is a much larger company than Beatport. They've been around for at least a decade (I ordered some of my first vinyls from them) and know what they're doing.

Regarding unique IP visits. I don't see how people here can dismiss these numbers so easily??? Do people here realize it is IMPOSSIBLE to compare straight up numbers due to so many factors? (Genres, Labels and their associated genres, etc)

There is no better gauge available to us besides unique IP visits. If you don't believe this to be true, feel free to say so but don't do so without offering a better, quantifiable solution.

Taken from compete.com: (Results from 07/2009)

www.beatport.com : 37,326
www.juno.co.uk: 19,997
www.junodownload.com: 17,725

Juno company (37,722)

Trending (Yearly change)
Beatport.com - stagnant
junodownload.com + 70%
juno.co.uk - 25%

Stephen, are you still saying that Juno is the number one download site, and at this moment in time sells more downloads than beatport?

Yes or No?

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Originally posted by G-Con Stephen, are you still saying that Juno is the number one download site, and at this moment in time sells more downloads than beatport? Yes or No?

#1. Define number one download site, please. I will say this though. If I had to choose between one company to deal with for the rest of my life, Beatport or Juno, the answer would be beyond easy and the answer would be Juno.

#2. I never claimed anything regarding sales. There is nobody on this planet who can answer the question you just asked me. It would take the owners (two people) of both companies to come together and publicly make available their hopefully untainted sales data, which will never, ever happen.

Ok Stephen. I see what you are getting at although it is not fair to include juno.co.uk in the equation. They sell hardware equipment, software, vinyl, cd, sample dvds etc. Beatport do not. I thought this debate was about digital distribution. If it is, it is only really fair to compare junodownload to beatport.

It does seem as though junodownload is growing though, but at this time it seems beatport is still the clear-cut winner as far as popularity and most likely sales.

I know juno has been going a long time. I used to buy my records from there and chemical records many years ago!

By the way, im pretty sure you will be able to get onto beatport now. They just dont want to take on any old label with no back catalogue. Some of your releases sound quite good!

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley I not only love the late 90's sound, but I also want to "ressurrect" some of the artists from its time. Everything is stale for the most part in music genres.

Not sure how these two ideas are compatible. You think these older artists will bring something new to the table, besides just matching market leader styles?

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by xphonix Ok Stephen. I see what you are getting at although it is not fair to include juno.co.uk in the equation. They sell hardware equipment, software, vinyl, cd, sample dvds etc. Beatport do not. I thought this debate was about digital distribution. If it is, it is only really fair to compare junodownload to beatport. It does seem as though junodownload is growing though, but at this time it seems beatport is still the clear-cut winner as far as popularity and most likely sales. I know juno has been going a long time. I used to buy my records from there and chemical records many years ago! By the way, im pretty sure you will be able to get onto beatport now. They just dont want to take on any old label with no back catalogue. Some of your releases sound quite good!

I include juno.co.uk because our releases are available through there, just like they are junodownload.com - but liked you noted, they sell other things. In particular vinyl (lets be real, people don't buy hardware from them!) - That's another factor that makes me like Juno much more. I'm most likely going to be pressing 500 vinyl soon, and I've already got one huge distributor fully ready to go.

Chemicalrecords - Good one. Solarstone had 150 vinyls pressed of his Radiohead remix and sold them all through there. Great company who I will likely be contacting soon.

As for Beatport, I'm really not concerned about them anymore. I thought they were the holy grail and the only way a label could function or recruit artists when I started Olympik, but over time the company has becoming less and less appealing for a multitude of reasons. My label aggregator (label-worx) is in charge of gathering distributors now and they do follow ups for all pending applications so that's their business/job/concern now, not mine (It's a 100% commission based service).

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Originally posted by Beatflux Not sure how these two ideas are compatible. You think these older artists will bring something new to the table, besides just matching market leader styles?

Yes, I do.

I think the old successful artists such as the ones we have discussed are not only more talented than artists today, but much, MUCH more intelligent and bring tons more to the table. These were guys who would eat their children to be perceived as unique and artistic and took great pride in it. These days all you have are people who are the polar opposite, which is why we are where we are.

Ok, but I do think the comment I originally quoted from you is a little misleading.

Still, never mind, doesnt really matter anyway.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Yes, I do. I think the old successful artists such as the ones we have discussed are not only more talented than artists today, but much, MUCH more intelligent and bring tons more to the table. These were guys who would eat their children to be perceived as unique and artistic and took great pride in it. These days all you have are people who are the polar opposite, which is why we are where we are.

You have to realize several things. First; the climate is different. Those artists had far less competition and made far more money. Thus they had the time and money accorded by past successful productions to not rush out ideas of future tracks. In today's digital era where there are so many producers; it's just not possible to do this unless you're a purist. Luckily I am, and I don't make my living from music yet, but there are many people who do. In order for them to stay profitable at all they have to put out more works to keep the small amount of income streaming in. I actually think a lot of the artists today are more talented, but deal with greater hurdles in the present climate.