Photography isn't art.

___________________
E = mc²/2

E = mc² is the optical illusion of E = mc²/2

Click me to find out why.

quote:

Originally posted by sixofour.604 Photography isn't art.

That's just because most photographers don't build their own cameras and invent their own colors. Real artists know what I'm talking about.

LOL IT DOESNT STOP LOL.

This thread gets an A+ on the scale of LOL.

No, Photography is taking pictures of Nature or other peoples Art. Its not Art. They have to find beauty in something else. Then they take a picture of it and call it their own, they don't come up with the beauty themselves. And, And, And, technically its also theft. According to Ameircan Law.

___________________
E = mc²/2

E = mc² is the optical illusion of E = mc²/2

Click me to find out why.

quote:

Originally posted by vikernes How about you stop using our air for starters? btw, what the fuck are you even doing on this forum if you build your own gear and try to be original? The scientology forum is over that way...

You're spoiling my fun! Obviously I don't mean the things I say. According to my rules, there would be no music! I'm just having a conversation with Owien, and I want to see what he says next.

If Owien really required that no-one ever used samples or samplers, a lot of his favourite songs wouldn't exist. He seems to believe that his personal viewpoint is the "correct" viewpoint and other people are "lazy" if they don't share his viewpoint.

I just wanted to explore his point of view further a bit. I wanted him to post examples of his songs, so he could prove that his songs sound much better than songs made by the hundreds of professional trance producers who use sample packs.

quote:

Originally posted by derail You're spoiling my fun! Obviously I don't mean the things I say. According to my rules, there would be no music! I'm just having a conversation with Owien, and I want to see what he says next. If Owien really required that no-one ever used samples or samplers, a lot of his favourite songs wouldn't exist. He seems to believe that his personal viewpoint is the "correct" viewpoint and other people are "lazy" if they don't share his viewpoint. I just wanted to explore his point of view further a bit. I wanted him to post examples of his songs, so he could prove that his songs sound much better than songs made by the hundreds of professional trance producers who use sample packs.

Owned.

From another view point, I can understand what Owein was getting at, I to thought along sort of those lines in the past. But I believe he just went about explaining him self in the wrong way.

Derail you are right, no one can be called lazy, and you cant say there is a correct way.

Owein, I see what you mean by sampling is lazy or not use own work, but its something has to be accepted. A good producer produces in that way and/or makes their own sounds. It may seem simple and easy to do (sampling), but it also has its difficulties in making good sound music in that way. Like derail said some of all our favourite tracks came about in that fashion and we dont even know and probably never will.

Lets face it as its said before, its the end result that counts. If you make your own sound, sample it or both, if you can produce good music thats the end of it. A prime example is this, this couldnt sum up this whole thread better, or what its turned out to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJPdVVOmbz4 - Just watch the whole thing, its just 1:12. Everyone loves them, and if you dont know, it proves the end result works, and that they are good producers to take samples and do what they do. I know some might argue that, but they are successful so whos to argue with that!

You're right, music2dance2.

Yes, I know what Owien was getting at, and I can imagine if you're interested in sound design and creating your own samples, which he obviously is, that it would be a vital part of the creative process.

But for a lot of producers/ artists, it isn't.

It's easy to put up an arbitrary personal view, for example "if you don't have a bachelor degree in music, majoring in composition, then you're lazy, and shouldn't be creating music".

But this arbitrary view, like the view "you shouldn't use samples", is meaningless, with regard to the real world - the variety of people that create music, and the ways they create that music.

People can be elitist snobs if they like, but they'll find they have a very small range of music to listen to. I'd find it a hassle to make sure that I'm only listening to musicians who have bachelor degrees, much like Owien would find it a hassle to make sure he's only listening to music by people who make their own samples.

Owien can list certain producers who do create their own samples, but can he guarantee that ALL the music he listens to and enjoys is sample free?

Maby its just me, but no one here seems to even know what sampling is.

Because you are using samples from say, a "sample cd" doesn't mean you are "sampling". Sampling is literally when you record your own sounds, and turn them into something that can be used musically. Either from real life or from another audio source. It does infact require a degree of skill. Someone who uses sample cds is entierly different. Someone who uses sample cds in general is someone who can't make the sound themselves, and ontop of that, can't rip it from somewhere [due to poor skill] Most people hate the "sample cd users", not samplers. When folks started use the amen break or the funky mule. It was ok for them, because people knew it took some degree of skill to take a record, record an accurate sample [probably many attempts, as we all know, records play differently every time], then they chopped it up into bits and made a new loop. They processed everything themselves. And they did all the work to get the sample. ... Sample CD users just open up a book of precut, preprocessed sounds and throw them into a mix. Its pretty much the same as using a preset.

Art is, infact, generally rated upon the skill involved to produce it. Which is why photography isn't art at all.

I will make one major note: Obviously, if the sound can't be produced on a synth, then der der der you have to use a sample...such as a violin chorus or a xylaphone or a real snare... [don't be stupid] These are sounds most of us can't sample.

___________________
E = mc²/2

E = mc² is the optical illusion of E = mc²/2

Click me to find out why.

Last edited by sixofour.604 on Sep-09-2009 at 05:42

I think there is too little sampling going on in todays music.

Sampling is fun and can make a track stand out.

___________________


http://soundcloud.com/subtara

Yeah, Ive been meaning to expriment making a a loop with just recorded vocal sounds; lead, percs, bass and all.

___________________
E = mc²/2

E = mc² is the optical illusion of E = mc²/2

Click me to find out why.

quote:

Originally posted by owien oh and point in case m.i.k.e makes all his own work from scratch and if you hear his albums you will hear why

And does he stand out anymore for doing that? Not one bit. Everything done in music is strictly personal preference and trying to force your opinions on others especially in relation to production is just showing how much of a clown you are.