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Originally posted by mfitterer1 LOL nice one, grouping me with other trance djs thinking I don't listen to anything else. Nice generalization (untrue btw).

All I meant was that you probably are not familiar with them. I was making no observations on whatever your music taste may be since I have no idea.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Perhaps those guys are using DVS's NOW. BUT... they all all big enough names to get whatever they want based on their riders. I'm sure most of those guys are using DVS's because burning and sorting CD's is a total bitch. The current CDJ's also SUCK at cue and loop management (can't sync the cards, etc.). These new CDJ-2000's will likely make some of these guys rethink Serato and TSP. Plus, how many of them will be doing sponsorship deals.... As a local DJ myself, I'd SO leave my laptop and home and bring some USB sticks if I knew a venue had these decks. Setting up and tearing down a DVS isn't horribly hard, but at 6am I don't want to be doing it.

Exactly.

The main reason I use a DVS is for track management, not all the extra features. It was a bitch burning CDs back in the day. Pioneer took care of that aspect in these new players. Pretty cool.

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The Pioneer Rep just posted this on another forum to a user who said it was $5000 for 2 CDJ's & A Mixer.

"$5000? Either you missed the bit about MAP pricing (which is what you'll pay on the street), or you're really bad at math. Try $1699 per player."

I wouldn't buy it even if i had the money.

If I can buy a pair for $3200 I'll snag them right away and sell my 1000's

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 And these WILL sell well. They will be overpriced at first and then come down; it's basic economics. They know there are people that will buy them whatever the price so they'll keep them high until their sales start to drop from all of those guys already picking up theirs then they'll drift down to the masses that won't overpay for them.

Here's the thing. I can go out and get a fully fledged DVS system for around $1,000. Let's say you spend 400 on the tables and 600 on the DVS. It could be a little more or a little less but it's around that ballpark. I'm not counting the laptop because you should have one already, and the pioneer has software as well.

Based on this it is my opinion that Pioneer could drop the price down to $500 and they still wouldn't be worth it. Why should I pay such a premium just to have a few less chords, and no computer? The DVS system is almost 1/4 the cost, and it has more features. The CDJs were already overpriced, and I think it's a major reason behind why DVS became so popular. They have simply compounded their problem.

Plus you also have to factor in what the rest of the market will do in response. We have this whole Serato + Ableton thing, and who knows what else they'll come up with. Maybe they'll sell ok, but if this is all Pioneer can do I really don't see these things sticking around for long.

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Originally posted by Clovis On it's face yes, it is false, it's probably more like half of ALL touring DJs in europe in every genre. As far as the dance music scene I am concerned with, the majority of DJs have gone that route.

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Originally posted by Clovis All I meant was that you probably are not familiar with them. I was making no observations on whatever your music taste may be since I have no idea.

Fair enough.

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Originally posted by DjWoody The Pioneer Rep just posted this on another forum to a user who said it was $5000 for 2 CDJ's & A Mixer. "$5000? Either you missed the bit about MAP pricing (which is what you'll pay on the street), or you're really bad at math. Try $1699 per player."

If that's the case wow that's awesome! The cdj 1000's were priced at 1500 a month ago. I bought mine a year ago and actually made a profit on them selling a year later!

Come to papa 2k's!

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Originally posted by TWD Here's the thing. I can go out and get a fully fledged DVS system for around $1,000. Let's say you spend 400 on the tables and 600 on the DVS. It could be a little more or a little less but it's around that ballpark. I'm not counting the laptop because you should have one already, and the pioneer has software as well. Based on this it is my opinion that Pioneer could drop the price down to $500 and they still wouldn't be worth it. Why should I pay such a premium just to have a few less chords, and no computer? The DVS system is almost 1/4 the cost, and it has more features. The CDJs were already overpriced, and I think it's a major reason behind why DVS became so popular. They have simply compounded their problem. Plus you also have to factor in what the rest of the market will do in response. We have this whole Serato + Ableton thing, and who knows what else they'll come up with. Maybe they'll sell ok, but if this is all Pioneer can do I really don't see these things sticking around for long.

Here's the thing, at least with TSP which is the market leader; stability is shat on everything except MBP's and even then there are still problems from time to time.

These are aimed at the professionals and aspiring professionals who want the laptop aspect without the hassle of a laptop and the possible problems that come with it. I mean how awesome would it be to just bring thumb drives and your headphones to the club?! To now see the waveform easily and manage a huge collection of music in seconds. And now the looping has caught up with TP for the most part as well.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Here's the thing, at least with TSP which is the market leader; stability is shat on everything except MBP's and even then there are still problems from time to time. These are aimed at the professionals and aspiring professionals who want the laptop aspect without the hassle of a laptop and the possible problems that come with it. I mean how awesome would it be to just bring thumb drives and your headphones to the club?! To now see the waveform easily and manage a huge collection of music in seconds. And now the looping has caught up with TP for the most part as well.

The major advantage for me with using a laptop is that my entire music library is at my fingertips. I know they make pretty big thumb drives now, but constantly updating it and moving music onto them is annoying, I currently do that when playing b2b with someone else using a laptop and scratch, or plug in another hard drive.

With the laptop I have all my itunes playlists right there, I can quickly make playlists for certain settings or gigs. The laptop always has the most up to date music I have received on it.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by snatonsb If I can buy a pair for $3200 I'll snag them right away and sell my 1000's

Yeah why not, but i like dvs way to much.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Here's the thing, at least with TSP which is the market leader; stability is shat on everything except MBP's and even then there are still problems from time to time. These are aimed at the professionals and aspiring professionals who want the laptop aspect without the hassle of a laptop and the possible problems that come with it. I mean how awesome would it be to just bring thumb drives and your headphones to the club?! To now see the waveform easily and manage a huge collection of music in seconds. And now the looping has caught up with TP for the most part as well.

I just have to call this one absolute BS. The quality of Traktor may be questionable to some, but you can't just cherry pick products. You know full well that Serato is 100% stable, and while I don't know sales figures and so forth I'm sure you also know full well that it's questionable to call Traktor the market leader over Serato.