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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Kysora is basically right, mainstream trance stop being dance music quite a while ago. The listeners now like it mainly for the melodies and silky saw timbres that it provides, not for getting up and dancing. This generation of trance fans was raised on downloading MP3s from Napster and listening to ASOT and GDJB from the comfort of their bedroom computer chair, not on having a club or festival be their first exposure to the music.

sooo true. When I listen to ASOT 2007 I don't feel like dancing or anything, I just like listening. Of course it's the opposite when I listen to something from the late 90's and early 00's.

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Originally posted by Kysora When did a track being ultra danceable become the biggest most important aspect to trance?

The mind boggles.

I guess you're right about trance today, but... ugh. If I just want ear candy, I can think of so many better "songwriters" to listen to.

I think that the really great tracks are both. Maybe you need to go to other genres for that. I can pick out so many tracks and sets that are totally listenable at home/work but would still make everybody go nuts on the dance floor.

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The way the new generation of trance fans got into the music also explains why there are now so many trance producers who have never set foot in a club, and who think that percussion is unimportant. For them it is all about the uplifting melodies that they soak up through their headphones plugged into their computer at home, not dancing or communal events or cutting loose or any of that.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles The way the new generation of trance fans got into the music also explains why there are now so many trance producers who have never set foot in a club, and who think that percussion is unimportant. For them it is all about the uplifting melodies that they soak up through their headphones plugged into their computer at home, not dancing or communal events or cutting loose or any of that.

I understand that, but I also think it's sad, first of all because it's such a simplistic form of music to listen to that way that it's like limiting your reading to trashy sci-fi or romance novels, and second because that music pervades into the clubs through bedroom DJs and Arminesque egomaniacs pandering to unsophisticated clubbers, and results in the same kinds of parties I thoroughly ripped on in the previous thread (ones where people just stand around, bob their heads and wave their hands in the air... blecch).

It may not be deliberate, these people may tell themselves that the music is directed at a different audience, but it's still largely responsible for wrecking the scene by virtue of association and confusion.

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2009-02-21 - DJ Attention @ I'm So Popular
2009-06-18 - DJ Annoying @ People Need To Know Where I'll Be
2012-11-32 - DJ Insufferable ɸ Or At Least the Stalkers I Complain About
2048-06-66 - Spastic & Whocares ¶ Although I'm Actually Flattered
9999-45-81 - Tweaker Gimp ☼ I Probably Won't Even Go To This But I Have To Make Sure I Fill Up All The Available Space Here

Trance isn't dead. I think we are all just getting a bit too old. Some of us may be getting a little to lazy to dig for quality tunes, but they are still out there. It's the same with every other genre. I've been hearing this trance is dead shit since I started listening to trance and that was a long time ago.

Take my dad for instance, all he listens to is music from his generation, artists such as, ottis redding, percy sledge, al green, and wilson picket. He is stuck in that generation and cannot appreciate what that music has evolved into. I think many of you are stuck in the past and can't accept how trance is evolving. Just like my dad thinks todays music is garbage, you think todays trance is garbage....which is not true. Alot of those tunes you were listening to were probably back in your raver day's and hold much more meaning than the tracks you are hearing today.

Hopefully this rant makes sense. I'm about a bottle wine down right know.

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Originally posted by Bayou Boy Trance isn't dead. I think we are all just getting a bit too old. Some of us may be getting a little to lazy to dig for quality tunes, but they are still out there. It's the same with every other genre. I've been hearing this trance is dead shit since I started listening to trance and that was a long time ago. Take my dad for instance, all he listens to is music from his generation, artists such as, ottis redding, percy sledge, al green, and wilson picket. He is stuck in that generation and cannot appreciate what that music has evolved into. I think many of you are stuck in the past and can't accept how trance is evolving. Just like my dad thinks todays music is garbage, you think todays trance is garbage....which is not true. Alot of those tunes you were listening to were probably back in your raver day's and hold much more meaning than the tracks you are hearing today.

The problem with this argument is that I am finding plenty of great recent music that holds meaning for me. I am just not finding it in current trance for the most part anymore. It's not that I'm sick of new music as a whole.

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Originally posted by Kysora When did a track being ultra danceable become the biggest most important aspect to trance? I don't listen to trance to dance to it, I listen to it because people like Andy Blueman, Adam Nickey, Oceania, Arctic Moon, Ferry Tayle, stop me at any time, they're all great songwriters, and not for their percussion lines. I already said, it's all based on opinion. If you want to like music because it's danceable, good for you, but for those of us who like music for the sake of music, the percussion in trance really isn't important.

Are you fucking serious?!?! Did you forget trance is dance music!? That means it's supposed to make people dance. I like music for all sorts of reasons but we are talking about PRODUCING trance. Producing trance is once again SUPPOSED TO MAKE PEOPLE DANCE!

And I see why you think the way you do; you listen to dead ass epic/euphoric. How do you listen to the same fucking sounds, the same progressions; the same loops over and over and still enjoy it? Those producers you just listed are what have created the problem that is creating the transition into prog becoming trance.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Kysora is basically right, mainstream trance stopped being dance music quite a while ago. The listeners now like it mainly for the melodies and silky saw timbres that it provides, not for getting up and dancing. This generation of trance fans was raised on downloading MP3s from Napster and listening to ASOT and GDJB from the comfort of their bedroom computer chair, not on having a club or festival be their first exposure to the music.

So that means that everyone here who STILL produces trance should go with the trends and make un-danceable music? No; you say fuck the idiots that are screwing everything up and you collect their checks! Doing things wrong is no excuse because others do it.

If people want to make that shit they need to start a new genre; call it cloudwalking or some shit roffl.

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Originally posted by DigiNut The mind boggles. I guess you're right about trance today, but... ugh. If I just want ear candy, I can think of so many better "songwriters" to listen to. I think that the really great tracks are both. Maybe you need to go to other genres for that. I can pick out so many tracks and sets that are totally listenable at home/work but would still make everybody go nuts on the dance floor.

The really great tracks ARE both. Same with dj sets. The reason I picked trance over all the other genres I enjoy is because it can provide enjoyment with the same songs in the same order in the same context in the club as in private quarters. It allows you to take in the music for whatever you want it to be.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles The problem with this argument is that I am finding plenty of great recent music that holds meaning for me. I am just not finding it in current trance for the most part anymore. It's not that I'm sick of new music as a whole.

Ditto. Techno, breaks, and D'n'B have gotten awesome lately. And I still listen to some ambient/chillout from time to time, and house is most of what they play in the clubs. So really, trance is the only genre out of all electronic music that I haven't been able to find a place for, lol.

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2009-02-21 - DJ Attention @ I'm So Popular
2009-06-18 - DJ Annoying @ People Need To Know Where I'll Be
2012-11-32 - DJ Insufferable ɸ Or At Least the Stalkers I Complain About
2048-06-66 - Spastic & Whocares ¶ Although I'm Actually Flattered
9999-45-81 - Tweaker Gimp ☼ I Probably Won't Even Go To This But I Have To Make Sure I Fill Up All The Available Space Here

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 So that means that everyone here who STILL produces trance should go with the trends and make un-danceable music? No; you say fuck the idiots that are screwing everything up and you collect their checks! Doing things wrong is no excuse because others do it. If people want to make that shit they need to start a new genre; call it cloudwalking or some shit roffl.

I think a lot of trance producers would do just as well making some kind of uplifting ambient or chillout music, and simply forgetting the whole "dance" aspect of it, since it is really kind of slipping out of the music anyway.

Anyway, I was trying to explain the trend, not support it.