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Originally posted by Jeez i wanna try shark fin soup, lamb brains in marakech and some chinese people told me dog meat is the best, it tastes like butter. keep whaling japan, you are poor tiny country with water on all sides, from where else you expect to get foood? world food program?

dog is very tasty....so is monkey brains

Baby seal meat is so tender....makes veal seem like rubber.

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter Its not entirely hypocritical though, because chickens/cows/sheep etc are bred and farmed and their numbers strictly controlable. You can't farm whales or run breeding programs. The reproduction rates of whales is much slower than cows/sheep etc so it takes longer for numbers to come back. It comes down to sustainability. We can farm cows/sheep/chickens at sustainable rates. Hunting whales may be unsustainable, especially if quota numbers are allowed to increase. I'm not siding with the environmentalists here, just pointing out its not an exactly equal argument. by the way, dunno about this year's quota but in recent years the Japanese have hunted Fin whales which were on the endangered list. And Norway have higher quota numbers than the Japanese.

so the whole point of this is about extinction? there's no moral problems with killing whales as long as it's sustainable?

if this is true then you're right, it's not as hypocritical, but you have to admit that people go ape-shit over whales being killed, and not because of their sustainability... yet they don't give a shit about much worse "humanitarian" conditions for the vast majority of the meat industry...

i'm not an activist, and i'm not trying to change anything, but i'm definitely not going to preach about how bad the japanese are killing a couple of NOT ENDANGERED whales when the largest part of our economy is based on exploitation of natural resources, and animal slaughter... which i believe is what most of the people talking about whaling are talking about...

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit wow.. look at that.. we agree on something

i still think you were misunderstanding me in that other thread, i was never defending religion, or bagging science..

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Originally posted by hooknife You just do not understand, its obvious. Its not about stopping people from eating whale meat, its about keeping the oceans ecosystem intact and not allowing countries to profit from the killing of whales. The International Whaling Commission, which Japan and 87 other countries are part of have agreed to not kill whales for profit yet Japan continues to profit in the name of "research", why is that ok? Why do you feel Japan should have special rights and should be allowed to exploit a loophole and be allowed to kill endangered species of whales?

as i said above, japan is not the only state involved in whaling.

secondly, it's not like japan JUST started whaling and are throwing the echosystem out of whack in the last few years...

thirdly, as i posted a number of times, the minke whale is NOT in danger of becoming extinct... and if you claim they kill others looking for minke etc, so do many many fishing ships: tuna = dolphins etc

i think this whole thing is crap just because if this is an environmental problem how about focusing on your own life instead of blaming everything on industry? How about stop buying the products that fuel this kind of industry and maybe they won't be able to sustain their expansion?
or further, how about focusing on aspects of environmental change that are SERIOUSLY fucking terrifying, instead of something like whaling...

it's so easy to blame industry, and i'm not supporting industry because i think it's terrible, and pretty much every aspect of industry that has any kind of success pretty much ruins the world in some way or another, but i think scapegoating helps nobody, and international scapegoating is even worse because you probably have no idea what you're talking about.

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Yeah I'm not actually changing the argument or anything.

The thing is that there are three main reasons ( in my mind. If you are religious you could add a fourth) against all animal killing. I don't see whales as any more important than cats, cows, chickens, fish, dolphins, whatever.

Environmental problems, Animal Right problems, and Health problems.

I want to punch people crying about dogs being eaten in China or Dolphins being caught instead of tuna. You shouldn't give a sit about dogs and cats and not cows and pigs.

I personally see the whaling industry as horrible, cruel, and inhumane... but then so are all of the meat industries.

The Sea Shepherd people could easily do something that would actually help with their time and money, but all they really care about is being on TV and being famous. They aren't useless, they're Negative. They're putting animal activists into a bad light and they're wasting resources on their 'fight' and fuel on their boat.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced dog is very tasty....so is monkey brains Baby seal meat is so tender....makes veal seem like rubber.

I heard a lot of good things about monkey brains too.. but its hard to find..

Where did you try baby seal meat?

whale meat tastes fucking awesome

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Originally posted by hooknife You just do not understand, its obvious. Its not about stopping people from eating whale meat, its about keeping the oceans ecosystem intact and not allowing countries to profit from the killing of whales. The International Whaling Commission, which Japan and 87 other countries are part of have agreed to not kill whales for profit yet Japan continues to profit in the name of "research", why is that ok? Why do you feel Japan should have special rights and should be allowed to exploit a loophole and be allowed to kill endangered species of whales?

endangered?

last time i checked most dolphins were listed as least concern via conservation status

let me put it this way.

We could try and kill every mammal on this earth and after we are gone life would still persists.

We could nuke the whole planet 3 times over and life would still persist.

Unless your a vegan your simply a hypocrite playing god and saying which animals deserve or dont deserve to die.

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Originally posted by Tom Smykowski whale meat tastes fucking awesome

does it taste like deer?

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Originally posted by Lews Yeah I'm not actually changing the argument or anything. The thing is that there are three main reasons ( in my mind. If you are religious you could add a fourth) against all animal killing. I don't see whales as any more important than cats, cows, chickens, fish, dolphins, whatever. Environmental problems, Animal Right problems, and Health problems. I want to punch people crying about dogs being eaten in China or Dolphins being caught instead of tuna. You shouldn't give a sit about dogs and cats and not cows and pigs. I personally see the whaling industry as horrible, cruel, and inhumane... but then so are all of the meat industries. The Sea Shepherd people could easily do something that would actually help with their time and money, but all they really care about is being on TV and being famous. They aren't useless, they're Negative. They're putting animal activists into a bad light and they're wasting resources on their 'fight' and fuel on their boat.

actually you are making alot of sense now. You are a vegan so you should be the only one here arguing a valid point.

WEll done sir (but your missing out on juicy rare steaks ill tell ya)

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Originally posted by EgosXII i still think you were misunderstanding me in that other thread, i was never defending religion, or bagging science..

fair enough i may have taken my point too far and have been a bit conceited in demeaning you. I did understand your point though and for arguments sake it was somewhat valid as lira soon clarified.

i hope you take that as my appology and accept it lol