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Originally posted by Fledz I fail to see what is so different about the video than any other uplifting trance, clubbing video Some people love it, others hate it. What is the big fucking problem that gets so many of your guys panties in a twist? Ok, so you want no breakdowns and just want to dance for 3 hours? Nobody gives a fuck. Likewise, you want epic breakdown after epic breakdown? Great, nobody gives a fuck. Everyone has their own tastes. Just let it go already.

Well, if everyone was as open-minded as you then life would be just way too boring
A whole bunch of '07 uplifting tracks were good, some '08, but it's '09 and that shit is just annoying at this point - its all the same.

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Well I'm not that open minded in general but this shit is old and we keep rehashing the same topic over and over again.

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Originally posted by Leniu Well, if everyone was as open-minded as you then life would be just way too boring A whole bunch of '07 uplifting tracks were good, some '08, but it's '09 and that shit is just annoying at this point - its all the same.

And so are the jazz stabs of deep house and (detroitian) techno since 1992 or something (albeit with modern production today) and so is the farty bass of electro-edged house after the Gigolo 2001 electro-clash thing and so are the clicks and glitches of kompakt/pokerflat/etc. minimal/click/glitch/micro-house-techno (a sound famous from the 90s with Akufen etc. ) and so are the layers of sounds coming-in and out with a bit trancey melody-in of long boring as hell 10-minute progressive-house tracks (lol) and so are the dubby deep sounds of dub techno (Basic Channel) etc. All EDM genres seem to strictly revolve around their own prototypes with not much evolution and breakthroughs going-on except for the better (modern) producton techniques which are evident in all genres. If one things the power of current musical programs and all the possible infinite sounds/effects/production techniques and possible musical structures one can use, EDM-genres are seriously constrained by the minds of their own creators. It makes sense since its not some weird liberal experimental/abstract/arty type of music (and i don't categorize IDM or ambient, as EDM. Maybe EDM was more innovative in the 90s but it is unfortunately not much anymore), it is destined for the clubs (big or small) and festivals with the purpose to make people dance and have fun with some good/serious money involved in the process. It is natural that producers don't have the freedom to play around and innovate and many of them probably don't want to. The vast majority of EDM producers want to make tracks that "work miracles in the dancefloor" and make "people move" (bodily or mentally). Trance is no exception.



The reason that people bash epic-trance is probably because the elements of epic-trance, such as the gigantic super-saw lines and breaks, stand-out (are more "salient" and distinctive) in comparison to the elements of deep-house tracks (which are also the same during the last 10 years or more). Furthermore, it is a sound that reachers to big (younger) audiences, has cross-over mainstream success and it is played by big dj names who are literally (blindly)adored by the younger fans. Because these aspects are associated with pop paradigms, it is natural to lead to elitist-hate, not so because of the structure of the music itself (which a lot of it is not musically inferior to a funky house, deep house or a techno track) but because of the culture and behaviours associated with it. IMO all modern EDM seriously sucks to my ears with a few exceptions (e.g. i enjoyed the minimal techno of the Field due to its reverberating loops-something different), but it makes sense since i am a chronic EDM listener (hmm that sounded more like a disease...) and i don't see any evolution in any of its' (sub-)genres at all. The conclusion? If you like one genre just listen to it. There will always be some more "arty" (whatever that means) genre than yours.

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Originally posted by Fledz Well I'm not that open minded in general but this shit is old and we keep rehashing the same topic over and over again.

That's TA for you!

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Originally posted by PETRAN The vast majority of EDM producers want to make tracks that "work miracles in the dancefloor" and make "people move" (bodily or mentally). Trance is no exception.

My problem with modern (uplifting, euphoric, etc. etc.) trance is that the only movement the producers are trying to inspire is your hands moving towards the ceiling.

I love listening to trance, but it definitely doesn't make me want to dance. Too many damn breaks in it. A 8 minute song should not have 3 minutes of breakdown. A CD of 80 minutes should not be 30 minutes of breakdown. Breakdowns are a great thing, but the song should not revolve around them and only them.

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I really think you're over-exaggerating the 3min breakdown thing. I still listen to a decent amount of uplifting trance and 3min doesn't come up that often.

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Originally posted by Lews My problem with modern (uplifting, euphoric, etc. etc.) trance is that the only movement the producers are trying to inspire is your hands moving towards the ceiling. I love listening to trance, but it definitely doesn't make me want to dance. Too many damn breaks in it. A 8 minute song should not have 3 minutes of breakdown. A CD of 80 minutes should not be 30 minutes of breakdown. Breakdowns are a great thing, but the song should not revolve around them and only them.

Have you listened to other EDM genres? Timewriter-a classic deep house producer- still makes the exactly same thing that he used to 10 years ago. Only the production has changed. I can also say that my problem with deep house are those damn jazzy stabs, but thats what makes deep house in the end. Cool music aimed for lounges, bars and small clubs to make people feel sexy. Hence, the problem is not with those sounds per se but with me, since countless people love these things and hear that music for the sake of hearing those same elements that i despise. The break, the arpeggio and the lead-line with the pseudo-crescendo are trance's "tricks" and main elements. These are the things that make epic-trance, massive club music aimed for festivals to make people reach for the lasers (lol). If you don't like that then its your taste that changed. Sure, progress is slow within EDM in general not just trance, so it is natural at some point to get bored of it.

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Originally posted by PETRAN I can also say that my problem with deep house are those damn jazzy stabs, but thats what makes deep house in the end.

yea I have a hard time digesting these as well. DJ Sneak comes to mind. His music is everything I dislike about deep house

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Originally posted by Fledz Everyone has their own tastes. Just let it go already.

Of course everyone has their own tastes. The point of this board is to discuss them.

Or I suppose we could all post nothing but threads with the name of a single track in them and the replies to the opening post could consist of nothing but and depending on whether the person liked it or not.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Furthermore, it is a sound that reachers to big (younger) audiences, has cross-over mainstream success and it is played by big dj names who are literally (blindly)adored by the younger fans. Because these aspects are associated with pop paradigms, it is natural to lead to elitist-hate, not so because of the structure of the music itself (which a lot of it is not musically inferior to a funky house, deep house or a techno track) but because of the culture and behaviours associated with it.

That's it right there.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Of course everyone has their own tastes. The point of this board is to discuss them. Or I suppose we could all post nothing but threads with the name of a single track in them and the replies to the opening post could consist of nothing but and depending on whether the person liked it or not.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Have you listened to other EDM genres? Timewriter-a classic deep house producer- still makes the exactly same thing that he used to 10 years ago. Only the production has changed. I can also say that my problem with deep house are those damn jazzy stabs, but thats what makes deep house in the end. Cool music aimed for lounges, bars and small clubs to make people feel sexy.

That's unfortunately what modern deep house has become, but it used to be really uplifting and soulful. very far from the stolid muzak that passes for deep house these days. I think it suffers from the same sceney malaise that trendimal house suffers from, and the people making modern 'deep house' (sascha dive, and all these others) are the same people who were on the minimal house bandwagon.