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Originally posted by Jayx1 Having the cops storm a public place, force everyone on the ground and then search everyone because they suspect that some people may have drugs is not the kind of society we should aspire to nor accept.

Just like yourself, that I don't agree with.

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"Everybody tossed. Most of them did. We got 15 that didn't."

since when is wanking a crime????????????????????

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MarkT
being in an establishment with a known history of violence, along with quite a few drug and weapons infractions/QUOTE]

Mark wins.

his is the exact reason why they are able to search anybody in these clubs. Good luck trying to convince a judge that the cop over-stepped the law by searching without good reason.

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so by the tone of the detective everyone was searched and the 15 who didnt get rid of their drugs were the ones charged... as i said, shaking down the whole place to find the criminals.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker [QUOTE]Originally posted by MarkT being in an establishment with a known history of violence, along with quite a few drug and weapons infractions/QUOTE] Mark wins. his is the exact reason why they are able to search anybody in these clubs. Good luck trying to convince a judge that the cop over-stepped the law by searching without good reason.

so just being somewhere is good enough reason? thats scary!! i dont know what to say about this.

The staff arguement they use is weak too.. They could easily get the staff undercover as well. Make the buy, arrest them individually.

This whole thing makes me furious... and the fact that people are defending it.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker [QUOTE]Originally posted by MarkT being in an establishment with a known history of violence, along with quite a few drug and weapons infractions/QUOTE] Mark wins. his is the exact reason why they are able to search anybody in these clubs. Good luck trying to convince a judge that the cop over-stepped the law by searching without good reason.

so by that logic anyone in the Jane & Finch area can be searched ?

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Originally posted by Iwasthere so by that logic anyone in the Jane & Finch area can be searched ?

exactly..

its unreal what people have been brainwashed to accept. Really... its frightening.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 exactly.. its unreal what people have been brainwashed to accept. Really... its frightening.

This is why when I get pulled over I only open my window slightly and would never allow them to search my car.

But I always see cops pulling people over front of Vola and searching their the whole car, because people get intimidated and scared.

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Police will not always go by the rules guys, especially when it comes to drug related activity. You definitely are NOT supposed to be searched illegally, and the police are SUPPOSED to have reasonable cause to search you.

BUT.....police very often will do this anyway when it comes to drugs. They rely on you confessing, getting scared and narcing on someone else, or just pleading guilty quickly for a reduced sentence. They will even try to charge you with as many things as possible, mostly fabricated, hoping you plead to the lessor charges when they offer to drop the others. They know perfectly well that alot of these charges won't hold up in court, but they also know that most won't even get that far. They leave it to the courts to see whats legal or not, they really don't care if they think you're up to know good.

As for Film, I'm sure they searched everyone they wanted too. They had undercovers in there for months, so I'm sure they knew EXACTLY who they were looking for. And those would have other evidence already collected before the raid. As for the others that got charged, if they were just inside Film having a good time then they will probably get off the charges if they're smart enough to realize it was a illegal search (for them) and fight it.

Having been a resident DJ at Film for quite some time, I can honestly say that the ownership was DEFINITELY not invloved in drug dealing. I know it says the owner got charged, but I'll bet it was some minor possesion charge they're trying to stick on him. As much as some of you may not like the club, they did run it like a proper club and everything was above the board there. I know lots of people who love Film and didn't go there to get high, but went becasue of the music. As with most clubs in our scene, the Djs/music IS the draw for the crowd...not the drugs. Drug addicts don't pay $20 to go "pick up". Unfortunately, most people in our society don't understand why we like to dance all night to electronic music. They think it must be the drugs. They're wrong.

It's funny, they raided CZ thinking the ownership was invloved in drug dealing too. That wasn't the case either.

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I'm no lawyer, or an expert in law in any sense, but my understanding of law is that it is based upon common sense, and being 'reasonable'

You're a cop and you make a drug bust at a club. You make several other busts at clubs. Would it be reasonable to believe that clubs have higher chance of being a place where drugs are found? And that you allocate resources accordingly to clubs because that's more likely place? And that people who frequent these clubs voluntarily have higher chance of associating with drug deals and whatnot?

You put yourself under suspicion moment you choose to associate yourself with certain groups, no matter how innocent or guilty you are.

Unless you're a complete numpty potatohead, you know there are drugs at clubs. So by agreeing to go to clubs, you put yourself voluntarily under suspicions.

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

i want to add one more thing

I have the utmost respect for cops. The cops who do their jobs right and respect those around them. I also know that a lot of what they do is just done by order. The real problem are the sergeants and chiefs that approve this shit, the politicians that apply the pressure to do so and ultimately THE FUCKING HALF WITS (meaning the general population) THAT ACCEPT THIS AND ALLOW EVERYONE TO GET AWAY WITH IT!

I swear I should get my letters templated since it seems i have to send them out weekly these days about the abuse of our rights and freedoms.

Yeah im pissed... in genuinely pissed...

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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Originally posted by ÖZmözis This is why when I get pulled over I only open my window slightly and would never allow them to search my car. But I always see cops pulling people over front of Vola and searching their the whole car, because people get intimidated and scared.

Police actually do have the right to search your car for certian driving related offences, especially drinking. But that's the car, not you personally.

Although they'll ask you......and most people say yes....

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