And wtf, I didn't quote John McCain - if you can't see that you're making the same claim that he was in that excerpt from Factcheck, then what are you doing talking about politics?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN quote: Originally posted by The17sss I'm sorry everyone, but other than saying Fox is "bottom of the barrel journalism", quantitatively and qualitatively worse than any of the alternatives, 95% racist viewership, etc.... those are all empty opinions totally void of factual basis. Lol. what’s hilarious is that’s exactly the problem with fox news.

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Originally posted by The17sss quote: Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Lol. what’s hilarious is that’s exactly the problem with all news. fixed

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Um. He's a Nobel Laureate in Economics - I think he's qualified to speak on the subject. Also, three of the four links I posted are decidedly non-partisan.

There are plenty of undeserving Nobel Laureates.... hint hint.

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Paul Krugman is the intellectual center of the Left on economics right now - if the Right can't have a serious debate with him than clearly you have nothing but platitudes.

I'm aware of this. And the Left is doing a bang up job on the economy. Thanks for proving my point. Why would the Right want to have serious debate with someone who wanted the $800 billion stimulus to be $2.4 trillion (and seeing what an obvious horriffic failure it has become, thank god his advice was shelved), and said the politicians who voted against cap and trade are committing treason against their country/planet? His economic policies stem from a radical Left wing ideology... no thanks.

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It's not like he's Rush Limbaugh, for Christ sake - it's as if you cited Buckley and I said "oh, he's a conservative teehee he must be stupid teeheehee." Jesus. No wonder our country is becoming intellectually bankrupt.

LOL! I can see how you're tone is becoming more defensive as of late. It's clear to me that you're upset that you fell for the soaring rhetoric of hope and change, and bought into the lofty expectations that are beginning to crash and burn; the great unifier has become the great polarizer and single handedly killing your party. Lashing out like a petulant child the same way your Dear Leader does now when people disagree is basic human nature I suppose; I would be embarrassed too if I proudly believed the hype only to see things getting worse 1 year later.

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And wtf, I didn't quote John McCain - if you can't see that you're making the same claim that he was in that excerpt from Factcheck, then what are you doing talking about politics?

I was obviously referring to the part of the quote where McCain said, ".... but tax revenue would have been more without Bush's tax cuts." McCain is a boob, and he also has no way of knowing if that statement is true. The fact remains: that tax cut sent more money to the treasury than ever before.

^^ 17sss, Obama is YOUR leader too, like it or not
the tone you use when you speak about Obama gives the impression that you are against EVERYTHING he has attempted/attempts/will attempt. its getting tiring...then again, that all you repubs do.
all talk no substance

meh imma go eat some wings..you all carry on

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Originally posted by DjWhooCares ^^ 17sss, Obama is YOUR leader too, like it or not the tone you use when you speak about Obama gives the impression that you are against EVERYTHING he has attempted/attempts/will attempt. its getting tiring...then again, that all you repubs do. all talk no substance meh imma go eat some wings..you all carry on

lol... I remember in a time, long long ago (2003) the wise Hillary Clinton said the following:

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I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say, 'We are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!'"

Saying "no" to massive spending, increased deficits and debt, and out of control government expansion is actually a pretty good thing. But don't say there isn't any substance; alternative ideas, bills, and proposals are routinely rejected as fast at they are offered; team obama does not listen to anyone outside his inner sanctum.

I think the US needs a hobbesian upheavel... The social contract just isn't working out for them, time to overthrow and rebuild...

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Originally posted by The17sss Saying "no" to massive spending, increased deficits and debt, and out of control government expansion is actually a pretty good thing. But don't say there isn't any substance; alternative ideas, bills, and proposals are routinely rejected as fast at they are offered; team obama does not listen to anyone outside his inner sanctum.

Everyone says no to uncontrolled debt including Obama. "Team Obama" isn't the one who passes the laws either. Unfortunately, Republicans have no room to be talking, because under their watch, the debt and deficits became record breaking events. Only now that their opposition party is in power do they care.

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Originally posted by Comrade Stalin Everyone says no to uncontrolled debt including Obama. "Team Obama" isn't the one who passes the laws either. Unfortunately, Republicans have no room to be talking, because under their watch, the debt and deficits became record breaking events. Only now that their opposition party is in power do they care.

This is a fair point, and I agree... because the last 2 years when the debt/deficit expansion began under Bush, I hated every minute of it. They were too pussy to stand for their principles, and they suffered mightely at the ballot box for it. And the same is happening again on the other side because it's even worse now than under Bush.

p.s.- I know this is you, Krypton

the17sss reminds me of a time when i was young and naive

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Originally posted by The17sss There are plenty of undeserving Nobel Laureates.... hint hint.

Raise your hand if you saw the Barack Obama card coming.

Clearly something called the "Peace Prize" and a Nobel Prize in Economics are based on the same criterion for scholarship in the social sciences.

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I'm aware of this. And the Left is doing a bang up job on the economy. Thanks for proving my point. Why would the Right want to have serious debate with someone who wanted the $800 billion stimulus to be $2.4 trillion (and seeing what an obvious horriffic failure it has become, thank god his advice was shelved), and said the politicians who voted against cap and trade are committing treason against their country/planet? His economic policies stem from a radical Left wing ideology... no thanks.

Again, if you can't debate the merits of arguments made by the opposition, why are you discussing politics?

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LOL! I can see how you're tone is becoming more defensive as of late. It's clear to me that you're upset that you fell for the soaring rhetoric of hope and change, and bought into the lofty expectations that are beginning to crash and burn; the great unifier has become the great polarizer and single handedly killing your party. Lashing out like a petulant child the same way your Dear Leader does now when people disagree is basic human nature I suppose; I would be embarrassed too if I proudly believed the hype only to see things getting worse 1 year later.

Defensive? I don't think so. Annoyed that you still don't get it? Yeah, probably. And angry at Obama for trying to placate those that still don't get it? Yeah, definitely.

I'm not embarrassed for supporting Barack Obama as candidate or President, and I think he had a very good first year. But he's squandering the momentum by courting moderate Republicans who clearly don't give two shits about health care. And yeah, that pisses me off. Olympia Snowe is now in control of whether health care becomes a reality. We've come this far, and we're going to be held captive by mythologies and a messaging meme on Massachusetts being a referendum on health care? It's absurd.

I'd love to see Obama use some of his political capital - which is considerable - to get the most progressive piece of legislation since 1964 passed through Congress. And then millions of people can purchase health insurance, coverage can be expanded, and government can go back to being ineffective in addressing some other burning issue.

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I was obviously referring to the part of the quote where McCain said, ".... but tax revenue would have been more without Bush's tax cuts." McCain is a boob, and he also has no way of knowing if that statement is true. The fact remains: that tax cut sent more money to the treasury than ever before.

McCain never said that - re-read the quote. McCain said that tax cuts sent more money to the treasury than ever before; Factcheck.org used economic analysis to show that revenue would have been even higher without the tax cuts. You're agreeing with the "boob."

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Originally posted by The17sss The fact remains: that tax cut sent more money to the treasury than ever before.

Yea, too bad we had those tax and spend democrats in the white house and congress to run up the largest increase in the national debt and create the largest national deficit ever recorded despite there being more money sent to the treasury than "ever before."






















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