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Originally posted by Lira Well, it's hard to convince someone of something when you're exchanging swear words with them. Besides, they may know something you don't. ps.: I think your thread was hijacked because it is about muscial instruments

I fixed it. Do you think it will help?

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Originally posted by igottaknow I fixed it. Do you think it will help?

Well, there's always hope!

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Originally posted by Lira Well, it's hard to convince someone of something when you're exchanging swear words with them. Besides, they may know something you don't.

I will honestly concede to one point regarding digital sound frequency where ******** was able to educate me. It was regarding the Nyquist Theorem and it's actually information I've been able to put to good use. These moments, however, remain few and far between.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue butthurt, bill ashley? i'm on my way out the door but i'll just answer your first few ridiculous posits. 1. your "look into the mirror" comment. i used to use that in first grade. thanks for the memories.

The ad hominem I've gotten from some segments of this board are kindergarden.

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2. a piano has 7 DISTINCT NOTES you MORON. just because it's of a different octave doesn't mean it's a DIFFERENT NOTE. play a fucking A5 to anyone who knows their shit and then play an A3 and i guaran-fucking-tee you that they will tell you both NOTES are A's. do you even know what an A5 is? a piano has 88 distinct pitches, but only 7 notes. wow.

You are just being an assinine with this.

In music, the term note has two primary meanings:

a sign used in musical notation to represent the relative duration and pitch of a sound;
a musical pitch with a specific frequency

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3. a STANDARD PIANO has 88 keys. we're not talking about the biggest pianos ever, as if that would make my argument any less strong. lol! hey i've seen guitars with multiple necks, with variations of 12, 7, 6 strings.. therefore let's argue that all guitars have 25 strings!

"Standard piano?" For how many years? If you'd like to shoe horn the discusion that is fine but use definite terms not ambiguous ones like piano and guitar.

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4. you will be able to play near-infinitely more chords with a piano than with a guitar.

Perhaps twice as many actually. and there is no infinite involved it is actually quite limited numerically.

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AGAIN, why? the guitar MAXES OUT AT 6 NOTES WITHIN THE CHORD. the piano, if not played with your entire body (like i had argued in a semi-joking manner) maxes out at 10 NOTES. do some math and you'll realize that with 4 more notes, the # of possibilities increase dramatically. idiot.

Wrong actually since you can retune the guitar to make chords that don't even exist on the piano. The range of retuning on a guitar is far more than a piano.

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5. 6. 7. etc. this all moronic shit. i'm not bothering. 8. dude i've been playing guitar for years. the electric guitar DOES NOT HAVE PEDALS YOU FUCKING IDIOT. that's like saying a pair of tech12's has a efx-500 built-in. when you buy a fucking stratocaster (do you know what that is?) you do not get a free distortion pedal that's necessary for its performance.

Not all pianos have pedals. They sustain pedals only started coming into existence in the 1700's. Fact is pedals are very commonly used with the electric guitar as a regular performance item - multiple types actually - flange, distort, reverb etc..

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9. a piano, while considered percussion is comprised of STRINGS. the pedals are for SUSTAIN not reverb, you obviously have no idea about pianos. what do they OFFICIALLY call the pedals underneath a piano. SUSTAIN PEDALS. i've run out of synonyms for "idiot" so i'm gonna have to start repeating myself. you're a moron.

But its not true sustain - it allows the string to continue vibrating
but doesn't sustain note it extends the decay. This is largely true with a guitar also except that you can actually still manipulate the string. The piano sustain is a release , the guitar is one that can still be manipulated and need not be released.

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there is just so, so much more wrong to your arguments, but i'm walking out the door like i said.

This is a discussion to me, not argument.

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you're an idiot. stop arguing, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

I've been studying music for over 15 years now, I very much do know what I'm talking about.

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you've obviously never had any experience with either of the two instruments, whereas i've been playing both for over 10 years. go try to be smart to someone else who may actually believe your idiotic ramblings. perhaps a 5 year old.

Quite wrong.

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Originally posted by Chris Crossland I was just poking fun at ********.

I did catch the humor but I was plugging for people to see the second video after being bored with the first. But I was poking too, that's why I posted those vids

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Originally posted by ModernNosferatu I did catch the humor but I was plugging for people to see the second video after being bored with the first. But I was poking too, that's why I posted those vids

God no! He completely sucked the life out of that song. I thought his first was much better, actually.

Here's the original song.



Compare and contrast. If anything, he just wrecked it.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker God no! He completely sucked the life out of that song. I thought his first was much better, actually. Here's the original song. Compare and contrast. If anything, he just wrecked it.

I knew it wasn't an original piece but it sounded good considering the instrument but I didn't know the original and in comparison to the original you are very right.

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Originally posted by ******** Perhaps twice as many actually. and there is no infinite involved it is actually quite limited numerically. Not all pianos have pedals. They sustain pedals only started coming into existence in the 1700's. Fact is pedals are very commonly used with the electric guitar as a regular performance item - multiple types actually - flange, distort, reverb etc.. Wrong actually since you can retune the guitar to make chords that don't even exist on the piano. The range of retuning on a guitar is far more than a piano. I've been studying music for over 15 years now, I very much do know what I'm talking about. Quite wrong.

point a) "near-infinite" was an obvious exaggeration. you're agreeing with me that pianos have the ability to play a wider range of chords than guitar.
point b) there are 0 guitars that have pedals that aren't extraneous side items purchased and used separately. but you fail to acknowledge this for some reason and imply that effects pedals are necessary for playing the guitar, which is utter nonsense. your pedal argument sucks.
point c) you didn't even bother addressing what i had to say. did that totally whoosh by your head there? a standard guitar chord cannot consist of any more than 6 notes at a time- do you not understand why? 6 strings = 6 simultaneous notes. i am right, you are an idiot.

tuning possibilities aside (as technically a piano can be tuned in just as odd of a combination as a guitar if not moreso), string manipulation aside (as this does not = complexity by itself), refute the following two claims with logical evidence (something you've completely avoided) and i will agree with you. until you can though, in regards to the complexity of the instruments, you're wrong, and you know it.

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a piano... technically can play an 88-note chord. what's the maximum amount of notes that can be contained within a guitar chord? i want to play a chord in the bass clef to provide rhythm for a melody that i'm playing in the treble clef. can a guitar do that?

hell, disavow any of my other arguments. these 2 alone prove you wrong.

finally,

point c + d) please, if you have so much experience with both instruments, by all means, put your money where your mouth is and record a performance of your best chops on both piano and guitar. you love recording all the rest of your "assinine" ramblings, let's see what you can do buddy. otherwise, along with your stone reiki master training and your ordained ministry garbage, i'm going to assume that you're full of shit or your music study is less than professional/academic.

quite wrong. lol

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue point a) "near-infinite" was an obvious exaggeration. you're agreeing with me that pianos have the ability to play a wider range of chords than guitar.

Sorta - in terms of "real time play" more than 5 note chords can be played at one point of time time - guitars are limited to the number of strings they have - this however may not be true in the instance of a 12 string guitar. In general though pianos tend to use more complex chord arangements than guitar - this does not exclude guitar from these arrangements.

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point b) there are 0 guitars that have pedals that aren't extraneous side items purchased and used separately.

This also is not true for instance the Alesis X Guitar with Built-In Effects

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but you fail to acknowledge this for some reason and imply that effects pedals are necessary for playing the guitar, which is utter nonsense. your pedal argument sucks.

If you sensed an implication you need to grow some more brain cells.

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point c) you didn't even bother addressing what i had to say. did that totally whoosh by your head there? a standard guitar chord cannot consist of any more than 6 notes at a time- do you not understand why? 6 strings = 6 simultaneous notes. i am right, you are an idiot.

What standard guitar? You are clinging to standards that only exist in your head, and the head of manufacturers.

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tuning possibilities aside (as technically a piano can be tuned in just as odd of a combination as a guitar if not moreso), string manipulation aside (as this does not = complexity by itself), refute the following two claims with logical evidence (something you've completely avoided) and i will agree with you. until you can though, in regards to the complexity of the instruments, you're wrong, and you know it.

No.

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hell, disavow any of my other arguments. these 2 alone prove you wrong.

Learn a little and I suggest you check into your statements before you make them, you are turning into a scarecrow.

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finally, point c + d) please, if you have so much experience with both instruments, by all means, put your money where your mouth is and record a performance of your best chops on both piano and guitar.

None are with me right now as I am away from home. I only have my trumpet - and am disallowed playing it where I am due to noise considerations - I hope to find a rehersal room on campus to practice before I take off (high likelyhood in october).

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you love recording all the rest of your "assinine" ramblings, let's see what you can do buddy. otherwise, along with your stone reiki master training and your ordained ministry garbage, i'm going to assume that you're full of shit or your music study is less than professional/academic.

Ad hominem

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quite wrong. lol

yes you are.

Last edited by w_ashley on Aug-30-2010 at 01:19

i sang, played flute, trombone, trumpet, guitar....always wanted to play piano.

edit: and what is the argument going on here that piano is more/less complex than guitar? cant be fucked reading all this bullshit bull i will say that piano is a more complete instrument than guitar. also 12 string guitars serve a complete different function than a 6 string...which is why usually if there is a 12 string guitar in a band, like in Genesis they also have a 6 string playing.

Last edited by Danny Ocean on Aug-30-2010 at 04:30

more complete, for what playing piano?