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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Ok, I don’t remember it being re-written.

it wasn't really.

but Gordon Freeman looked like a lumberjack before.....plus there were a few "scripted sequences" that were cut...like when Barney and a Scientist were arguing and a monster (that was cut from the game) came up behind them, barney threw the scientist to the ground and ran to safety.

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i miss the old days of half-life and counter strike when you could zoom with the colt. and warp around the map with gauss and long jump.

now we have ragdoll perfect cs
god damn i've grown up


edit. god damn that guy was hard to kill :X

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Goldeneye was not revolutionary.

anybody want to play quake live?!

i'm kinda drunk but i can play instagib.

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Originally posted by Fledz Well the hitbox does take up half the screen after all It still feels very unnatural though to just use thumbs to aim. System Shock? (For the record, I agree Golden Eye was one of the better games back then and helped drive a lot of future development, but the control system was still inherently flawed and slow because of the gamepad)

You can't hold that against the game though as it wasn't the games fault but the hardware. Having said that though, for it's time I found the controls to be the absolute best for a console.

I'm not holding it against it. It was just an observation

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I think everyone can agree that goldeneye was a very fun game to play with your friends...

but I also guarantee that the new goldeneye for wii will suck dick...and that games today don't borrow ANYTHING from goldeneye, except for mutilators...

license to kill + pistols was my favorite way to play golden eye.

goldeneye and all the other old school FPS for n64 had THE WORST control scheme. ever. n64 controllers were such fucking fail. they almost got it right with the thumbstick- but instead of a 2nd one, they had fucking c-buttons. so retarded.

anyways, of course mouse and keyboard are where it's at for FPS, but for halo, which everyone realizes is a "slow" fps, xbox controller-s' are where it's at. i would never play halo with a mouse and keyboard.

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Originally posted by Fledz System Shock?

Yeah, I'll admit System Shock did a couple of those things earlier, but I tend to think of it more as an RPG title a la Ultima Underworld. Definitely an important game but it only sold 170,000 copies and so many of the things it did do were simply unknown to the larger audience. GoldenEye sold 8,000,000 copies and an important part of being a pioneer is that people listen to you and act because of you.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Oh right, I see what you’re saying now. My mistake. Still though, I don’t think this is particularly impressive, especially given the minor change in gameplay mechanic (ie eliminates the use of a shortcut key because its ever-ready). It certainly makes more sense for a controller.

It's emergent gameplay from simple interaction of variables. In isolation each of the changes is very small, but because they're central to everything you do in a given moment of combat, they combine with each other for emergent patterns that are quite different to standard FPS mechanics. I don't want to get too wanky about this, but Halo, particularly MP, plays a hell of a lot different to more conventional shooters. Quakematch may be much more balanced, and I've had a hell of a lot of fun with it, but it feels almost two dimensional at times in comparison. Halo has that bit of nuance about it that makes it different, and interesting. Even if you don't like it, to downplay the importance of the gameplay mechanics suggests you simply don't know the game well enough.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Yeah, I'll admit System Shock did a couple of those things earlier, but I tend to think of it more as an RPG title a la Ultima Underworld. Definitely an important game but it only sold 170,000 copies and so many of the things it did do were simply unknown to the larger audience. GoldenEye sold 8,000,000 copies and an important part of being a pioneer is that people listen to you and act because of you.

Mmmmmmmm there's sort of a point there and there sort of isn't. SS came out in 94, GE when, 97? 98? Sales of games have rapidly risen over the past two decades so it's not the most accurate measure.

Deus Ex to date has sold over a million copies.
If circumstances were similar now, 10 years later but with the type of sales we're seeing, it would at least triple that number if not more. Granted, DX had a slow start but sales would catch up. Not every game can be Starcraft 2 or CoD#.

Gaming in 94 also wasn't mainstream but I think by the end of the century it really was becoming mainstream.

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Originally posted by Fledz Mmmmmmmm there's sort of a point there and there sort of isn't. SS came out in 94, GE when, 97? 98? Sales of games have rapidly risen over the past two decades so it's not the most accurate measure.

Measure of what? I'm not trying to validate the game through its popularity. I'm stating a simple fact: System Shock was not a widely played game, and so not many people saw what it could do. Even in 1994 on the PC, 170,000 copies was not a large number. Ultima Underworld, a previous and similar Looking Glass title, sold 500,000 copies in 1992. Top PC titles of the era, such as Doom, Myst, SimCity and Civilisation, were shipping 5,000,000+ copies.

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