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goodtime
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Location: George

quote:
Originally posted by Wordsforlove
Ah silence.. ace track and one of the most influential ever. I reckon this record more than any other signified the sound of the late 90s early millennium and the rise of rave culture in america. I remember sasha & digweed dropping the sanctuary remix and everybody going mental. I even saw people cry. I remember a good looking girl breaking down in tears on the dancefloor.

While this record did not kill trance I reckon this record was indeed about death.

Give me release
Witness me
I am outside
* She is knocking on heavens door
give me peace* asking for peace

Heaven holds a sense of wonder and I wanted to believe that I get caught up when the rage in me subsides

In this white wave* everything turns white when you die I am sinking• into death In this silence* Everything turns silent when you die
In this white wave In this silence I believe* she is embracing death


I have seen you in this white wave you are silent
You are breathing but in this white wave I am free.


Another brill and equally influential trance anthem that came out a few years later called As The Rush Comes also explored the theme of death.


Traveling somewhere, could be anywhere
There's a (coldness in the air*)
(*death) but I don't care
We drift deeper into sound
* they are drifting into death
Life goes on* the words life goes on often used after somebody has passed away
We drift deeper
Into the sound feeling strong*
they are not afraid to die they are embracing death
So bring it on
So bring it on

She even sings it on the hook:

* Embrace me
Surround me as the rush comes


Records like silence, as the rush comes, rapture were indeed dark however these were not the death of trance. What killed trance is that it got too bloody big for its own good. The proliferation of music in the 90s, the internet that came and allowed people to network on an international level, the rise of pear to pear sites like napster, the accessible sound of trance which was catchy coupled with the album orientated marketing of labels such as global underground (The 1997 boxed CD GU 007 Paul Oakenfold new york sold 170.000 copies in the US alone) meant that many newcomers were entering the scene and were no longer interested in what was going on in the mainstream american scene as they happily existed outside its sphere of influence. When a subculture running parallel to the mainstream gets too big for its own good it gets shut down with some unseen media hand fueling the process. This is what killed trance mate. Not silence. What killed trance was the endless propaganda in mixmag every month about how it is no longer fashionable to enjoy it. What killed trance was the loss of influential clubs in the uk and abroad that were literally forced at gunpoint to shut down. What killed trance was the endless praise for the shallow music that went on to replace it. What killed trance was the deliberate deception towards artists and label owners from the industry coupled with the lies about how digital distribution has the answer to the decline of record sales.
But let me ask you this, I reckon if digital distribution and experimental music really had the answer and they had about 6 years of it shouldn't we be talking about the increase in label revenue? Shouldn't we be seeing the dance industry recovering from the loss of physical distribution? Shouldn't we be seeing new people entering the scene that are there for the music rather then there for the drugs? But no... everytime we question these schemes we are seen as being blinkered to the bollocks they are force feeding us. There there is a big elephant in the room and mate I reckon this is a classic case of destroy and rebuilt. What we are seeing here is some dodgy media agenda. Erase the scene and replace it with a new one you want to take credit for and the people are too gormless to know any better.



hahahahaha wtf. I can't read through all that!


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pointPi
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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose
Trance is supposed to remain underground.


I don't know you and I don't wishyou any misery at all, but claiming a certain type of music must be restricted to a group of selected individuals is just so wrong on so many levels, for so many reasons.

First of all, I believe it's something self-fulfilling to experience as much different styles of music during your lifetime, because that means you will find new music you'll love all the time and I consider that to be a human right. No one has the right to take that right from me, only because someone claims to have superior knowledge about this certain music.

Secondly, you do realize that something cannot evolve without outer influences and if you have a problem with these influences, promote the artists to take a u-turn in their style, instead of dwelling about how trance isn't like it was during the Eye-Q/Harthouse period.

In my oponion, a certain type of music doesn't get better by integrity, or a more proper word, isolated. The music just gets more pretentious and un-friendly. It doesn't matter if the music is deep and meaningful, when nobody can be shared of that experience.

I think that what people made wrong in the ninetee's (espescially early 90's), was that we didn't make sure trance was making a deep enough impact on mainstream culture.


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Brick
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Originally posted by pointPi
I think that what people made wrong in the ninetee's (espescially early 90's), was that we didn't make sure trance was making a deep enough impact on mainstream culture.


Mainstream culture inherently kills everything it touches because it's meant to appease the most amount of people possible. Art created for this end is hollow. And not just music, but everything. Tell me Olive Garden is the best Italian restaurant you've been to, or that Transformers is the best movie of all time. I cry everytime I hear people longing for underground art to become mainstream which btw, killed trance


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Originally posted by Brick
Mainstream culture inherently kills everything it touches because it's meant to appease the most amount of people possible. Art created for this end is hollow. And not just music, but everything. Tell me Olive Garden is the best Italian restaurant you've been to, or that Transformers is the best movie of all time. I cry everytime I hear people longing for underground art to become mainstream which btw, killed trance


This.

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brucelee6783
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Tell me Olive Garden is the best Italian restaurant you've been to.


He's from Stockholm, not sure if he would know what Olive Garden is.

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david.michael
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
This applies to all club music.

"The real problem for house music is that it has never had any critical forum. Those few, like myself, who pipe up when things are patently, obviously fucked up are shouted down by DJs and promoters who should know better. There is still much to celebrate within house, but when the crap rises to the surface, most are either too busy networking, counting their own money or getting shitfaced to speak up. True constructive critisism is born of concern and a dream of just how good things could be. House music doesn't need any more people brushing things under the carpet. It needs more people who are in a position to change things by making their private post-club fears public."

-John McCready.


Do you have the actual article this came from? I would love to read it.

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Dj Pluviose
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That's what I said but I got attacked for preferring that Trance remains isolated.

I dont necessarily want it to be isolated, but it is a fact that mainstream kills everything.

It is the media for dumbing down the Art, and then it is the mainstream crowd for following what the media puts out, and in this case, the media spat out cheese/commercial Trance in mid 2000.

The people don't know any better though. If only, when Trance was being commercialized, it was the GOOD SONGS and GOOD ARTISTS that were praised, not the lame ones at the time.

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Originally posted by goodtime
hahahahaha wtf. I can't read through all that!


people from George do tend to stuggle


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yall have come with convicing arguments about I still say silence DJ Tiësto In Search Of Sunrise Remix chris benoit'd trance

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trancedanne
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Originally posted by Mattinsanity
yall have come with convicing arguments about I still say silence DJ Tiësto In Search Of Sunrise Remix chris benoit'd trance


the vocals totally raped that track

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SYSTEM-J
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quote:
Originally posted by david.michael
Do you have the actual article this came from? I would love to read it.


http://www.johnmccready.co.uk/10_years_of_house.htm


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Eastern Europe killed trance. Too many producers releasing too many average choons from that region of the world. Not to mention the pirate sharing websites that stem from those countries as well. I don't want to offend anyone but that's one of the biggest reasons that has contributed to trance's downfall over the past couple of years


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