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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox He's not gone you have to be kidding me. The guy tried to sneak back in once before when he already realized 85% of the forum couldn't stand him. He's likely gone through 10 boxes of kleenex by now. And cryo, theres a difference between "taking someone seriously".. and taking someone for a clown. My impression in this thread was definitely the latter. Should we all just do what you do and tolerate outright disrespect to an ENTIRE forum of relatively decent/cool people? You do understand thats how a good portion of behavoiral dysfunctions start? My take on M4B: He's disrespectful, condenscending, and rude. He also has almost no class whatsoever. And its evident by the way he talks to other people that he likely suffers from NPD (narcisistic personality disorder). Or maybe he's just your classic sociopath.. doesn't really matter. But I've also noticed a side to M4B that I'm not sure a lot of people see around here. Underneath his thick exterior, theres is definitely something that somewhat resembles a human being. You have to really look at a persons behavoir with a microscope before you start generalizing conclusions about how they really are. But I see M4B as someone who has an intense "need to belong". Its a psych term but its also a common sense term. Do you think he hosts competitions and pays people out of his pocket because he doesn't have a real desire to be accepted by people? (for the people who think he's subhuman) At the same time he's being a complete unneccessary asshole to one person, he's also entertaining another 10. In fact, I venture to say if M4B DIDN'T have a sense of humor.. by being as rude as he possibly could to people.. that he would have absolutely been gone for good a long time ago. I think he's always acting that way because he actually wants to make people laugh. Not because he's a miserable person. I do personally think he's extremely insecure, because the signs are everywhere if you look hard enough (not true it'll hit you in the face like a sledgehammer even if you're blind). He's ALWAYS justifying his relevance to this world by what he does, what he knows, or who he hangs out with. But its NEVER who he is as a person. And I think he lives/was raised around a lot of superficial people who have based their life worth under the same exact criteria. His parents most likely beat him as a child if he didn't come home with an A+ in music.. its inevitable to create some deep seeded insecurities later in life. But you really got to step out the box and realize as fucked up as M4B may seem on the surface, once you get past that with him, he's actually a pretty decent guy. And the dicky remarks he passes back & forth are really no different than what you would do with a brother. As gay as this is bound to sound, I honestly thinks thats his way of telling the forum he loves us all. I mean you can't really hate someone with OCD for cleaning your car untill the paint falls off. Sure they fucked your car up (same way M4B fucks up most his 'relationships' on here) but underneath there was actually a good intention there. I'm not sure how or why, but I see that intention in him. And even though a good deal of people can't stand him on here, you have to see thats what he WANTS. M4B is not the type of guy who conveys intimacy through compliments, he shutters to the spine at words like "love" and "caring". And he's obviously been conditioned that way by his 0 tolerance parents. I can almost guarantee his mommy never hugged him, but she most likely showed her love through insults. And theres a term in psych called "self-verification" which fits here perfectly. M4B CAN NOT feel loved on this forum unless he has other members consistently insulting him. If people understood how deep his own problems really were, I think they'd ease off a bit. Because the fact is, he's just another TAer like anyone else on this forum. I mean WHO in this forum is a 100% secure in the first place? We all have our share of problems, sure he's more out in the open with it, but you don't kick a puppy when it shits on your rug... because it just doesn't know a different way of life.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I'm not disagreeing with you for a minute about the nerd/altered persona thing, but lets look at this from the other way around. Don't you think you're taking the internet a bit too "lightly"? Or are you so oldschool that you believe things like "internet bullying" are just media made propaganda bullshit that also shouldn't be taken seriously? That gay freshman kid who jumped off a bridge and killed himself was he just taking the internet too seriously? Or maybe.. just MAYBE he shouldn't have been fucked with in the manner that he was? My point is you outlined essentially what is YOUR coping mechanisms, then implied things that WE should be doing by saying "quit be so fucking sensitive about his arrogance". But I'm not sure arrogance is the best way to describe what he's doing. He defiles people, degrades them, disgraces them, he's essentially using the internet to victimize as many people as he possibly can, while using the front of his music knowledge to aid him in the process (have you even noticed how he goes back to talking music everytime shit hits the fan... then a week later eases his way back in to the insults? Hes using music and his 'talents' as a tool to hurt people). While you are strong, and I may be strong, there are other people who aren't. And my reaction is based on the fact that the majority of people aren't as perfect as you are. Whether its the internet, tv, phone, or in real life, what he's doing reaches far beyond mere "arrogance". Staged or intentional, he's actively fucking with peoples self esteem, their egos, and doing it in a completely carefree "I don't give a fuck" way. While I understand what you are saying, and while I believe the whole world should just man up and stop being "sensitive" little bitches. I also think if ANYONE is to be reprimanded here for their behavoir, it is HIM, and in BY NO MEANS the people he's victimizing. What if you logged on the forum one day and saw that one of our members had just had a divorce, lost custody of thier kids, and got fired from their job... then came here just to get fucked with by M4B, and that then drove them to swallow a bottle of pills? You can sit here and say they were too sensitive, or they were already fucked in the head, but no man here knows any other mans predicament. And my assessment of what you said (I'm not assuming you give a fuck cause you already said you don't) is really just as arrogant as what M4B is doing. Am I blowing things out of proportion? I'm sure you'll say I am, but you need to recognize a scumbag when you see one and not become a doormat for them to walk all over on. He effectively called you a pompous w/e (along with the entire forum), and you're sitting here implying other members are being too sensitive. I guess we should all just act like sergeant hartman from full metal jacket huh? Fuck that shit. I don't show my strength in life by assuming the role of a pushover and losing all my sensitivity. I do it by confronting people when they step out of line, here or real life. I was trying to stay in the middle of this arguement, but you don't get rid of dirtball by tolerating them. You get rid of them by punching them in the fucking face the second they start talking out the side of their mouth. We can't do that here, but people can drive him off by giving him a taste of his own medicine. And I'm 100% an advocate of that. I won't do it myself, because I never felt victimized by him enough personally. But there are people here from all different walks of life, and I sure as hell don't have the nerve to tell them they're being too sensitive. later

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by cryophonik If you re-read my posts carefully, I think you'll see that I'm not defending him, I'm defending the reasons that you guys are attacking him. There's a difference. This thread was started in attempt to call him out on his opinion - not one of us, you or the OP included, needs to be called out on our opinions regardless of what our attitude is. If you have a problem with his attitude or arrogance, call him out on that, if it's really worth your time. I think it's silly, but I also think that this whole discussion has gotten boring and my perceived defense of public TA enemy #1 has probably earned me a few haters now as well, so I'm done. Carry on.

I agree to a certain extent Dave, but there is an issue that goes along with the way he is too. This is the production forum where people are supposed to be able to talk about techniques and share opinions (unless it contains the word analogue of course).

The problem with little Brad is that he almost singlehandedly derails every single thread that asks a question, unless he can show off his knowledge in it. Then he waits and derails it on page two.

He's not controversial, he's an asshole. I'm all for a bit of banter, but in his case I think this place is genuinely better off without him.

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Originally posted by tehlord I agree to a certain extent Dave, but there is an issue that goes along with the way he is too. This is the production forum where people are supposed to be able to talk about techniques and share opinions (unless it contains the word analogue of course). The problem with little Brad is that he almost singlehandedly derails every single thread that asks a question, unless he can show off his knowledge in it. Then he waits and derails it on page two. He's not controversial, he's an asshole. I'm all for a bit of banter, but in his case I think this place is genuinely better off without him.

We need a Stalin grade mod.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by tehlord The problem with little Brad is that he almost singlehandedly derails every single thread that asks a question, unless he can show off his knowledge in it. Then he waits and derails it on page two.

I think that's a perfectly valid point and worthy of discussion. My problem with this thread is that it was never an attempt to address those real issues. It was at best asking him to justify his opinions, but, c'mon let's be honest - it was really just a veiled attempt to subjugate his tastes in music in retaliation for his arrogance. Either way you slice it, it doesn't solve anything and leads me back to my comment on page 1 - what's the point?

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Originally posted by cryophonik I think that's a perfectly valid point and worthy of discussion. My problem with this thread is that it was never an attempt to address those real issues. It was at best asking him to justify his opinions, but, c'mon let's be honest - it was really just a veiled attempt to subjugate his tastes in music in retaliation for his arrogance. That doesn't solve anything and leads me back to my comment on page 1 - what's the point?

Very true.

Ultimately I suppose it's moderator (or continued lack of) issue.

The guy should have been shelved months ago.

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I'm indifferent towards teh MFB issue, but this forum really does need cleaning up. I do think another mod or two will help this forum out, it's so messy. Sorry for being off topic!

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Originally posted by cryophonik I think that's a perfectly valid point and worthy of discussion. My problem with this thread is that it was never an attempt to address those real issues. It was at best asking him to justify his opinions, but, c'mon let's be honest - it was really just a veiled attempt to subjugate his tastes in music in retaliation for his arrogance. Either way you slice it, it doesn't solve anything and leads me back to my comment on page 1 - what's the point?

the point was that i called his bluff and was very nice about it and for the first 2 pages of this thread at least we exchaned insights into why that was.

all i asked for was to hear something timeless subject to his standerds to see what he looks for in music.

but you have to agree in his mind ta is under him and that is how he treats it here and when anyone dares to challenge it he cant take the heat.

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God forbid he should ever take up photography (for example)as a hobby. I'd hate for him to have to visit a photography forum looking to exchange tips and to show off his works, only for a professional photographer to slate him and his work, in an incredibly arrogant, almost autistically persistent manner, as being totally beneath him because it doesn't meet his own, subjective, standards.

The funny thing is, I've only ever heard one dance track from MFB, and it sounded like the sort of thing paranoid schizophrenic people embed as a general midi file on their insane, rambling websites.

Not meaning to be an ass MFB, but evidence of your stellar TRANCE or similar EDM prowess, or STFU.

P.S. What makes you think that some people here don't make music for a living?

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I still don't see why this thread needs to exist.

Personally, I enjoy m4b's sense of humour and I think he brings life to an otherwise dead forum. He does go over the top though, but unless you have the maturity of a school-age child, you should learn to take any criticism with a grain of salt. I'm not gonna be begging for him to come back, nor for him to go away. Whatever he chooses to do, that's his decision.

The root of the problem in this forum is too much arrogance and pride exists for all of us for us to realize that we can all learn from each other's opinions and experience. Instead, we all spend our time in here trying to justify who is more talented, has more experience, makes more money, has a bigger epeen, etc...

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Originally posted by J.L. I still don't see why this thread needs to exist. Personally, I enjoy m4b's sense of humour and I think he brings life to an otherwise dead forum. He does go over the top though, but unless you have the maturity of a school-age child, you should learn to take any criticism with a grain of salt. I'm not gonna be begging for him to come back, nor for him to go away. Whatever he chooses to do, that's his decision. The root of the problem in this forum is too much arrogance and pride exists for all of us for us to realize that we can all learn from each other's opinions and experience. Instead, we all spend our time in here trying to justify who is more talented, has more experience, makes more money, has a bigger epeen, etc...

It's a fair point. I just think he goes waaaaay over the top. It's one thing having your work critiqued, it's another to have it abusively put down, which I think MFB does quite alot. He can be funny, but I just find his arrogance very distasteful.

I agree totally with your last paragraph.

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