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Originally posted by Kenny Rogers i think shias are most prominent in the countries of iraq, iran, pakistan, yemen etc, where most extremes comes from. i dont know anything about what tribe bin laden belongs to or how many % of terrorism he is included in. maybe they join forces, to fight a common enemy. shias are considered the most extreme anyway.

Salafis would normally be considered the most extreme. These are the fundis and they are technically a part of the Sunni division practicing the faith as they believe the contemporaries of and immediate successors to Muhammad did. You've probably heard of them referred to as Wahabi (spelling?); ususally by Shias in a derogatory sence as they view the founder of that school of thought as a heritic. Anyway, the Salafis tend to be the most politically active in seeking overthrow of the house of Saud and other arabic ruling houses. I do believe that Osama's theology falls in line with the Salafi school; however, I'm not sure if he would actually consider himself part thereof; certainly, most of the Bin Laden family don't fall into that catagory.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Arbiter Let's get a couple of things straight, There is no "rise of terrorism and violence.

A few world news items from the last couple of days;

15 12.2010 (Chahbahar, Iran) - Forty-one Shias are blasted to death in their own mosque by a Sunni suicide bomber.

15.12.2010 (Nalchik, Russia) - A moderate cleric is shot in front of his home for 'resisting religious extremism.'

15 12.2010.(Kandahar, Afghanistan) - Three children are disassembled by fundamentalists, who hide a bomb on a bicycle.

14.12.2010 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Sectarian rivals murder three more Shia pilgrims with a roadside bomb.

14 12.2010 (Diyala, Iraq) - Two Shia pilgrims are blown to bits by
Sunni bombers.

14.12.2010 (Peshawar, Pakistan) - Sunnis attack an 'unIslamic' shrine and shoot three Sufi infidels to death.

I have to say, they look pretty terrifying and violent to me, but I’m probably not looking at the poor oppressed perpetrators of these events with a sufficiently sympathetic eye.

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So much for the rise of terrorism and violence.

Yep, just another day at the office for the religion of peace.

(I won’t bother with the other “thing”)

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Originally posted by Znack I have to say, they look pretty terrifying and violent to me, but I’m probably not looking at the poor oppressed perpetrators of these events with a sufficiently sympathetic eye.

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Originally posted by Znack 15 12.2010.(Kandahar, Afghanistan) - Three children are disassembled by fundamentalists, who hide a bomb on a bicycle.

Really? Disassembled? That has to be the most clinical way of saying "blown to shit" that I've ever heard.

BTW, I would suggest to you that most of these events are politically motivated rather then theologically motivated... Iraq, Iran, and Pakistan are all places with stronger tribal associations then national or even religious associations... the tribes fight for influence all the time.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Jake Benson But still 1%, or 15,000,000 of them would embrace Al-Qaeda? Still that's a lot of Muslim terrorists. We need to add cheeseburgers and sushi to the menu. And throw in some ladyboys too.

I'm sure you got the lady boys covered! FABULOUS!!1

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Originally posted by Jake Benson But still 1%, or 15,000,000 of them would embrace Al-Qaeda? Still that's a lot of Muslim terrorists. We need to add cheeseburgers and sushi to the menu. And throw in some ladyboys too.

So basically,the way to end world terrorism is to send all extremists to Pattaya.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I would suggest to you that most of these events are politically motivated rather then theologically motivated... Iraq, Iran, and Pakistan...

and India and the Sudan and Algeria and America and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and Kuwait and and Ethiopia and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and Nepal and the Maldives and Argentina and Mali and Angola and the Ukraine and Uganda and Sweden and. . . . wherever else the Religion of Peace next decides to find offence, and deal with it by indiscriminately slaughtering a greater or lesser number of the local citizenry.

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Originally posted by Znack and India and the Sudan and Algeria and America and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and Kuwait and and Ethiopia and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and Nepal and the Maldives and Argentina and Mali and Angola and the Ukraine and Uganda and Sweden and. . . . wherever else the Religion of Peace next decides to find offence, and deal with it by indiscriminately slaughtering a greater or lesser number of the local citizenry.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that if you took away the religion, you'd still be left with the motivations for violence. The mistake you're making is treating the religion as a cause. It is merely a context for justifications already found outside of the religion, so your point is simply and woefully moot.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker You seem to be ignoring the fact that if you took away the religion, you'd still be left with the motivations for violence. The mistake you're making is treating the religion as a cause. It is merely a context for justifications already found outside of the religion, so your point is simply and woefully moot.

DING DING DING!

Politics is the motive, not faith.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard DING DING DING! Politics is the motive, not faith.

Except when you kill the other guy because he prays to a different imaginary friend than you do, then faith is the motive.

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Originally posted by Moongoose Except when you kill the other guy because he prays to a different imaginary friend than you do, then faith is the motive.

Moderate, reasonable Muslims don't do that, extremist wackjobs do.

If it wasn't for religion, they would still find a reason to kill you. (re: what Eddie said)

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