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Originally posted by Mad for Brad I think people get caught up in new and better but most mastering engineers are using the same plugins they were using 5 years ago. Renaissance linear EQ is pretty much the first of its kind and is still the most used EQ plugin for mastering. Already mentioned the C4, I mean they have plugins for everything that covers everything. UAD is quite specific in that it is more sort of bootique plugins. I'm not dissing UAD, i just think people should stop trashing waves as they are fantastic plugins. They are not that expensive and that whole price shock is just people who don't actually investigate buying just 1 plugin.

Even grammy winning songs have been made using stock plugins or sounds of Logic ( like Usher, Rihanna, Lady Gaga ). Ofcourse waves is good enough to use.

It doesn't really matter if Waves linear EQ is the most used linear phase EQ, it's not a top linear phase EQ. Nor is the limiters and so on ...

A certain company is coming with their own analog series ( it's still in beta ), the bundle cost only $200. You got API, Neve, SSL4k, 9k and other models. On the other hand you have Waves, for $200 you're lucky to get only 1 plugin ( as in 1 compressor ). How is Waves not expensive?

( I'm not going to do free promotion for them, but their mastering suite is what everybody is raving about atm, so their analog series are probably going to be amazing aswell )

edit: Guess it was a bad comparison. They don't do compression and EQ.

The only plugins I find interesting from Waves are the API and the H-comp however.

But we can make an other comparison Softube FET, $279. Fabfilter Pro-C, $200. Waves CLA-76, $400. ( both can do similiar type of compression as the CLA-76 imo )

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Last edited by Timothy on Jan-12-2011 at 20:37

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Originally posted by Timothy A certain company is coming with their own analog series ( it's still in beta ), the bundle cost only $200. You got API, Neve, SSL4k, 9k and other models. On the other hand you have Waves, for $200 you're lucky to get only 1 plugin ( as in 1 compressor ). How is Waves not expensive? ( I'm not going to do free promotion for them, but their mastering suite is what everybody is raving about atm, so their analog series are probably going to be amazing aswell )

What are you talking about? Slate? If so, then you do realize that that plugin just emulates the console types do you? Simply put: it just adds saturation. No compression, no eq, no limiting etc...

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Originally posted by vikernes What are you talking about? Slate? If so, then you do realize that that plugin just emulates the console types do you? Simply put: it just adds saturation. No compression, no eq, no limiting etc...

Really? I haven't tried it. I just heard someone talking about them coming with some sort of analog series thing.

Are you sure they do no compression or EQ?

edit: I checked the company website and I see nothing about that yes. Too bad.

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Originally posted by Timothy Really? I haven't tried it. I just heard someone talking about them coming with some sort of analog series thing. Are you sure they do no compression or EQ? edit: I checked the company website and I see nothing about that yes. Too bad.

There was a thread on here a couple of weeks ago and the resulting concensus was that people were quite unimpressed with them. They do little more than add a tiny bit of coloration.

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Originally posted by vikernes I was just thinking about two potentially great ideas for Waves; a) Why not use these famous producers for helping in the design of a new plugin based on their favorite gear. So, for example now that they modelled the pultech; Since it's one of JJP's favorite gear he could sit down with waves and tell them what he likes about it, what he'd want added/changed/modified etc... All while he'd be using that plugin in his production throughout a year or so and weekly sitting back down with waves and tell them what to improve or add. Think about this; this is obviously a guy who knows his shit, so giving him essentially a free hand at making his dream gear could possibly make a new "classic" piece of gear if done right. So, instead of him endorsing a fairchild and a pultec of which there are emulations from competing companies, he'd endorse his own designed plugins which no one else but waves makes. b) Another idea (actually one of my hopes) is that Waves some time in the near future make a soft synth. I have no idea why they haven't done s yet. They could very well build the perfect synth, because they already have all the effects covered so it's basically all pretty much down to writing code for the oscillators and the filter (I'm generalizing here) which they can even license from someone like Fxpansion or something if they don't feel like doing it themselves. Now imagine a synth with effects like the 1176 as the compressor, a maxxbas module, a doubler, IR reverb, L3-16 limiter, ren eq,... Hell, you could take a simple saw wave and I bet it would sound impressive going through their effects. Going further into this, they could make separate synths for individual sounds. I.e. A bass synth could very well be something like Trillian but built around the CLA Bass module and additional waves effects for example. So, yeah. Waves should hire me

Its an interesting idea. At first it seems like complete idiocy, but makes more sense the more you think about it. Waves would open up a new market for themselves, offer good value (you can put their effects on your synth sounds at a fraction of the cost) without compromising their core market (you wouldn't be able to use the effects included on any other instruments).

It could be interesting, but I think you're underestimating the task of building a synth, filters and oscillators are VERY difficult to program well. Look at all the synths with poor filters are oscillators!

As for getting famous producers to help them build their emulations, I'm sure they already do to an extent. But to me, I don't think famous producers should be involved when what they should be concentrating on is building a 1for 1 model of a piece of gear... It should just be a matter of accuracy to me... I'd rather see them invest some money in developing new modelling techniques. There's no reason these days why you couldn't program a physical model of every component in a piece of vintage gear and run the signal through that... I think that their modelling process, like most company's is really 2 dimensional.

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