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Originally posted by srussell0018 I said the Storm, not the Torch, and I've never seen anyone who owns a Torch, while I've seen hundreds with iPhones/Androids.

yes, correction storm. and there are plenty of torches here in toronto. and this is after people thought it would be a flop. it may be based on numbers, but i see plenty of them. androids, not as much.

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Originally posted by Dior Homme yes, correction storm. and there are plenty of torches here in toronto. and this is after people thought it would be a flop. it may be based on numbers, but i see plenty of them. androids, not as much.

Is Verizon used in Canada? I really have no clue about cell phone providers there, but maybe the reason there's way more Androids here is the abundance of phones that use their OS on the Verizon network, which has a clear dominance over any other provider in the US.

I guess I'm still a little bitter about the Storm that I rushed out to buy. Worst phone I've ever had. Only positive thing was that some high school kid bought it on Craigslist for $200 haha

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Is Verizon used in Canada? I really have no clue about cell phone providers there, but maybe the reason there's way more Androids here is the abundance of phones that use their OS on the Verizon network, which has a clear dominance over any other provider in the US. I guess I'm still a little bitter about the Storm that I rushed out to buy. Worst phone I've ever had. Only positive thing was that some high school kid bought it on Craigslist for $200 haha

Verizon is not used here. Bell is probably the substitute but we only have 4 major carriers and a few small ones which are mostly owned by the major ones. Bell, Rogers, Telus, Fido. Fido being owned by Rogers. Koodo is owned by Telus and the other ones are much smaller. Wind, Public Mobile, Mobilicity, Virgin and i think one more...

There are androids out here but its not as apparent as say 40% iphone, 40% blackberry and the reset is divided into android, nokia, samsung, HTC etc.


If somone has one of those other phones i mentioned its because its a lower end phone.. (from what i see at least). Unless you have an HTC, those i find are really good phones. i wish there were more androids out here but its mostly blackberry vs iphone. a very annoying battle here in toronto. everyone here seems very partial to both. id get an android if i didnt love my blackberry.

storm is okay... but im holding out for the bold touch later this year or something better. upgrading phones to me is useless and a waste of money. thats probably because im not into as much anymore.

Yeah Verizon is the behemoth here, and they carry both Blackberries and a number of Android phones, but you see way more people around carrying Androids than BBs.

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 RIM's OS is slowly dying out thanks to Apple and Android. I'd stay away from any BB products. I personally have a 64gb ipad and I love it. I also use an iMac at home, though, so the compatibility between the two isn't an issue for me. If you can afford it, I'd definitely recommend the iPad over any of the others, but then again, I tend to prefer Mac products over anything else. I've messed around with a few of my friends' Android phones, and they just don't have that.....je ne sais quoi.

Well that explains that. This post had no useful contribution. If you actually looked at any of the other products you'd notice many advantages to the other products. ie. QNX run on the playbook is not the same OS that they use in the phones. It's considered one of the most stable and dominant OSs in the industry.

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Originally posted by Dr. Z ie. QNX run on the playbook is not the same OS that they use in the phones. It's considered one of the most stable and dominant OSs in the industry.

Which will never quite stack up to the Apple or Android OS, so I don't know what point you're trying to make. Yes the Playbook is a viable option, but is certainly not the best option.

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.

I predict problems with the playbook.

Tablet's are in between mobiles devices and computers. Apple has mastered both, while RIM has success with just their phones. I think it will take a couple revisions before RIM gets it right with their tablet.

Personally, I have both RIM and Apple products. When I update my blackberry (software, apps, whatever), there's always problems. It never goes smoothly. Has anyone noticed that after a software update, blackberrys are a mess? Emails are gone, Icons/apps are never in the same spot. I still have to run old software on my blackberry because the bluetooth doesn't pair properly with my 2010 car.

Apple on the other hand, always get it right. And if there's a glitch, the next revision always fixes it.

If this was RIM's 2nd Revision tablet vs Apple's 1st, I'd say close match. But going for the playbook I feel is too risky and I just get the feeling that I am going to spend some hours dealing with errors/bugs each month.

BUT the tablet can tether wifi (saves $20-30 month in a new data plan if you already own a blackberry).

Is it worth it? After all, blackberry could surprise me and come out with a product that is flawless. Highly likely IMO, so I think I'm going with the IPAD 2. But still not 100%... I'll probably do what LightsOut says and try em both before making a final decision...

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Originally posted by HotSoup Personally, I have both RIM and Apple products. When I update my blackberry (software, apps, whatever), there's always problems. It never goes smoothly. Has anyone noticed that after a software update, blackberrys are a mess? Emails are gone, Icons/apps are never in the same spot. I still have to run old software on my blackberry because the bluetooth doesn't pair properly with my 2010 car. ays and try em both before making a final decision...

You must be doing something wrong because I never have problems. And I don't do anything complicated. Its actually very easy and straightforward.

I backup about once a month and even software updates are fine. Although I'm not liking the new OS6 for BB. The calendar is worse and the browsing and horrible in terms of page display. Everything is zzomed in like I'm blind and can't see the majority of the page. Even as I type this message on my bb I find it annoying I can't zoom out.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Which will never quite stack up to the Apple or Android OS, so I don't know what point you're trying to make. Yes the Playbook is a viable option, but is certainly not the best option.

Let me do some work for you. Click here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QNX. Read a bit. Then click here http://www.qnx.com/company/customer_stories/. Read a bit. If you don't realize how measly android or apple os is compared to qnx by now, I give up on you.

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Originally posted by Dr. Z Let me do some work for you. Click here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QNX. Read a bit. Then click here http://www.qnx.com/company/customer_stories/. Read a bit. If you don't realize how measly android or apple os is compared to qnx by now, I give up on you.

Just because you're a Blackberry fanboy, doesn't mean that QNX spells the demise of Apple or Android. And how is showing a list of companies that have utilized QNX mean that it's the best? Wow BMW uses it??? It must be good then!

You might as well give up on me, because I still can't see any way in hell that the Playbook will come anywhere close to out-selling the iPad.

PS. QNX is a Unix-like OS, much like the Apple OS. I've worked with both, and they're really not that much different from a performance standpoint.

Besides, you can have the best OS in the world, but it doesn't matter when RIM fails so hard at making touchscreen interfaces.

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Just because you're a Blackberry fanboy, doesn't mean that QNX spells the demise of Apple or Android.

Just because you're an apple fanboy, doesn't mean that iOS spells the demise of RIM.

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And how is showing a list of companies that have utilized QNX mean that it's the best? Wow BMW uses it??? It must be good then!

Have you no idea how big of a market share all of those companies have? Every ridiculous sentence you write goes through a QNX Cisco router/server.

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You might as well give up on me, because I still can't see any way in hell that the Playbook will come anywhere close to out-selling the iPad.

Who said the PlayBook will outsell the iPad?

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PS. QNX is a Unix-like OS, much like the Apple OS. I've worked with both, and they're really not that much different from a performance standpoint.

You clearly haven't and are just bullshitting. I met the CEO of QNX and it's a message based OS that focuses on performance due to the micro-kernel being so light. There's a reason why enterprise servers run on it.

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Besides, you can have the best OS in the world, but it doesn't matter when RIM fails so hard at making touchscreen interfaces.

Actually, you're right, I might as well give up on you with statements like this.

Goodbye.

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Originally posted by Dr. Z Every ridiculous sentence you write goes through a QNX Cisco router/server.

Oh no shit? I guess being a CCNA doesn't mean that I already know that

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You clearly haven't and are just bullshitting. I met the CEO of QNX and it's a message based OS that focuses on performance due to the micro-kernel being so light. There's a reason why enterprise servers run on it.

Holy shit you met the CEO of QNX and he said really good things about his OS? That's a fucking shock. Meeting Dan Dodge doesn't make you an expert on anything other than name-dropping. How'd his dick taste btw?

The only advantage Neutrino has in its essence of being a microkernal OS is that it provides protection against drivers, applications, protocol stacks, etc. failing and affecting other components or the kernel itself, since they're operating in memory-protected space outside of the actual kernel. So, no, QNX doesn't focus on performance, it focuses on protection.

Yay! any of my tablet's components can be automatically restarted if they fail, instead of having to restart them myself! QNX has been around for a long time, and yes, it does have many benefits especially in the field of networking, but that doesn't make it the be all and end all for computer OS's.

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.