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Originally posted by torontotrance what proof the second law of thermodynamics states the world is going from order to disorder.....not the disorder to order that evolutionists believe. Then again, no one has proven this law wrong yet, it also means the earth is winding down not up. Darwin's theory was so flawed it was not funny, darwin made too many assumptions. I'll get into that at a later date.... If you are going to diss someone......read up on it.....don't assume things.

well what you said about disorder to order is really dumbing it down..there is no way you can explain The Thermo Dynamic laws by such an idiotic mean.Just because you read a website you found on askjeeeves.com on the laws of thermo Dynamics dosen't mean your a fucking scientist.(maybe you slept at a holiday inn last night) .lol

I can't understand ThermoDynamics, (i am sure you can TTA). But it has nothing to do with thermo Dynamics and more with pure Physics, and the cosmological constant problem that Einstein introduced. Which in turn goes into his theory on relativity..and that's something I could not possiblily understand in the near future...

but that's my point also, because I am not educated enought to understand it, I should just believe god did it, and be on my marry way?

I'm not dissing anyone, don't be so defensive.

Anyway. Arguing about trance is one thing,,,,arguing about religion is just pointless. I won't say anything after this post in here.

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The word of God is in the message that is hidden in the parables and stories. That is what i mean.
Its only natural for a person to be shaky on their religion, or in fact shaky on anything! There is nothing wrong with that, God always says that he would always open his arms to his child that strayed off!
Im just a sensative guy i guess lol, i always take things to heart.

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Originally posted by torontotrance what proof the second law of thermodynamics states the world is going from order to disorder.....not the disorder to order that evolutionists believe. Then again, no one has proven this law wrong yet, it also means the earth is winding down not up. Darwin's theory was so flawed it was not funny, darwin made too many assumptions. I'll get into that at a later date.... If you are going to diss someone......read up on it.....don't assume things.

hhahaahahahahah

omg you crack me up.

once again another christian claiming they know more than 99 percent of the scientists.

First of all, I learned from my 9th grade science book (shows you how common knowledge it is) that the Second Law of Thermodynamics only applys to an open system. The Earth is a closed system, so evolution makes perfect sense.

Second of all, of course Darwin's theory is flawed! That's why scientists have been patching the holes Darwin had, hell it was a 150 years ago! The theory of evolution is still being perfected, its SCIENCE. don't just throw a perfectly good theory out just because it isn't perfected. just because theories change and are corrected doesn't mean you should just say "Fuck it, i'm going to believe in a ridiculous claim such as christianity!!"

If Christianity got one lick of evidence, I would shit my pants. The only thing it has is the Bible (written by people) and Jesus (a person). Christianity is based on the belief that these people were contacted and told what to do by God. Of the millions of people that have claimed this has happened to them, I find it ludicrous that these few people truely were.

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open system eh....

we are talking about a time before everything....so open or closed..don't mean a thing....but the law still applies

UM....if i am not mistaken...the alternative beleif to "EVOLUTION" is "ADAM & EVE" theory right?..which is how the "BIBLE" explains the begining of Earth...God created Adam & Eve on like the 6th day or something then he rested on the 7th (Sunday)...

well that whole Adam & Eve theory is with out a doubt scientifically impossible...no chance in this world that happened they way the Bible explained it...

i mean just look at the most obvious reason...we can not trace human beings back to the dinosaur ages...not even 1 bone...yet we trace dinosaurs back how mnay millions of years?....so IF Adam & Eve is true (which it has NEVER been found to be) why cant we trace human exsistence back that far?....it's simple...they weren't there...so inturn as a LOGICAL person with a 3rd grade education can tell you that Evolution is the ONLY answer...

not too mention if Adam & Eve "IS" true (which again i STRESS it can't be)..but "IF" it was that would inturn mean that every single human being on this planet is related to one another...we would ALL be brothers and sisters, cousins, mothers and fathers of each other...so then isnt that going against the Bible by committing incest?...if i am not mistaken incest is a sin...is it not?....

most of which is in the Bible is fairy tales...written by the upper classes way back when, to scare the lesser people and to establish an order of some type...

I DO beleive in a God...and i beleive he created the Earth, however i do not beleive he wrote the Bible and that he created Adam & Eve...i beleive he is a higher power....but people who beleive that they must pray (which also is in itself a SELFISH act)and confess their sins and always do good so they can get into theis magical thing we call "heaven" are in my opinion fanatically absurd....it's all out of fear...thats it...thats what it all comes down to....

you wanna know what happens after you die?...absoulutley nothing...it is like before you are born..nothing...there are no pearly gates and no angels or what have you....u simply go away and thats it...people beleive in a heaven and all that stuff out of fear..because they think of they don't beleive in it that their worst fears will come true when they die...that worst fear being death = nothing...

don't get me wrong i wish there was a heaven and all that...but dont bet on it...i can be wrong..but i doubt it....

i say just live your life without fearing there is some magical being in the sky judging you....because if you REALLY beleive in all that biblical stuff then i hate to break it to you...we are all going to go to hell...why you ask?...because every single human being on this planet is sinful...and every human being on this planet as inpure thoughts...its normal and natural...but wait religious people will say if you tell God your sins...i am sorry let me rephrase...religous people beleive if you tell a priest or what have you about your sins that all you have to do is say a hail Mary thingy and everything will be ok...LOL...get on with your lives...NO God is judging you...he may exist...but he can give two shits about what you do....

so all youy religious people have fun living your lives in fear...which is what it ALL boils down to...

bring on the flames...

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Originally posted by davinox all i am saying is that you MUST take the bible as the word of god, if you just "interpret it" then you cannot know anything about your religion! you can't know anything, maybe Heaven and Hell is just a metaphor. some people claim to be Christians, but then they have shaky views on the Bible.... I mean...WHY ARE YOU CHRISTIAN AGAIN? if you meant something else, then you shouldn't be offended.

Hmm i understand your stance on the Bible being the word of God but, I'm not quite sure what how u are referring to the meaning of it. Everyone who reads the bible "interprets" it differently. Or God speaks to each person differently. Hence, we have differing views from person to person about what the bible actually means.(ie whether events in the bible actually happened are of no consequence in what i am asking. thats another discussion entirely) Maybe i am misunderstanding here but it sounds like u are implying all christians should come away from reading the bible with the same understanding. Maybe i am misunderstanding what u wrote, hope u can clarify.

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Originally posted by Elysium Hmm i understand your stance on the Bible being the word of God but, I'm not quite sure what how u are referring to the meaning of it. Everyone who reads the bible "interprets" it differently. Or God speaks to each person differently...

The bible is suppose to be the word of god, you said it yourself (and its also in the bible). And somewhere in there it says that gods word is eternal, ie it doesn't change. all these bible ppl try to interpret the bible however they want to make it suit the times, pathetic. a few decades ago the church wanted women to stay at home, only old style hyms were permitted, contraception was immoral, gays were evil...
the church nowadays claim to want to make religion more trendy to draw the younger audience, hahaha they're getting desperate.

Well, what I studied is that satan, was one of GOD's stronger and favored angel, but there was Jesus too, and there was a plan that had to come up in order to test us all, Satan's ( lucifer 's) plan was to AUTOMATICALLY do what GOD told us to, and Jesus's plan was to let us have the liberty of choice, to choose wheather to do the BAD or THE good, and GOD aproved Jesus plan, that made Lucifer mad and felt betrayed by GOD ( since he was actually the BEST ). So many followed lucifer, and others followed Jesus's and GOD's plan( those are US here on earth ). So what actually Satan is trying to do is to get moore of us into his side by doing the bad things ya know, but as Jesus plan was, to have a free will of choice, but if we follow the commandments, and do the right, we will be on the right path. After death, there's another life, the ETERNAL life , but thats only for those that have done the rigthneous. Before that is the judgement day, where we will pay for our sins ( so if you do them , repent and dont do them again ).Satan will also be TIGHTEN for 1000 years, then he would be loose again, and will go with all his powers on trying to GET us by you know.. doing the SINS. All this will happen obviously agter Jesus's second coming. I can keep on writing, but I know many will get confuse, this is some of the idea, that I have studied, and believe on.

This will go more for the christians ( hence Jesus is involved ).

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Originally posted by dr me The bible is suppose to be the word of god, you said it yourself (and its also in the bible). And somewhere in there it says that gods word is eternal, ie it doesn't change. all these bible ppl try to interpret the bible however they want to make it suit the times, pathetic. a few decades ago the church wanted women to stay at home, only old style hyms were permitted, contraception was immoral, gays were evil... the church nowadays claim to want to make religion more trendy to draw the younger audience, hahaha they're getting desperate.

Watch this, it says on apocalypses, that the most influential church in the world will get destroyed .. whats happening to the catholic church TODAY ?!?! mmmmm makes me wonder for those that think thats the REAL church.

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once again another christian claiming they know more than 99 percent of the scientists.

what can I add...

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Also id like to know what evidence there is to say the bible isnt true? All i can say is that if the bible isnt true, who cares? People who are associated with the church help others and do some fantastic things for others. Im not saying that everyone in the church is, because well lets be honest, all the child molesters who are priests are sick, and its a disgrace wot image they give the church! but people like mother taresa, and the current Pope John Paul, who has just been to Canada and now in Poland, hey do so much stuff to help, other people.

The evidence for the existence of Dino's and rocks found from 4 billion years ago, that's also evidence for the bible not being true, but about this evidence is been said enough, you ignore it, or just accept the facts...

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we are talking about a time before everything....so open or closed..don't mean a thing....but the law still applies

Come on!! just admit you're wrong...the earth spins around the sun, wich is at the side of a milky way... and the earth is ROUND, like a ball...not flat...

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Watch this, it says on apocalypses, that the most influential church in the world will get destroyed .. whats happening to the catholic church TODAY ?!?! mmmmm makes me wonder for those that think thats the REAL church.

Islam is the biggest Religion in the world, not christianity and certainly not Catholicism

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God can do anything in a second.

Why has it took him 6 days to create the earth, and then he needed a day RESTING, so I guess it took quite a lot of his powers then...

(and why isn't anyone answering my question? )

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